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Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2017

Would be nice to include all 3 names of Cluj-Napoca. Romanian, Hungarian and German. Thanks Goreny (talk) 12:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: You need to provide those names. —MRD2014 Talk • Edits 14:32, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Romanian fascists have tried to stop this Hungarian city being referred to by its real name, Kolozsvár and Klausenburg.

Let's be more constructive (referring to the note above): here is the Hungarian version of this city's page, in the first row you'll see all the versions of the city's name: Kolozsvár - (translated): "Romanian until 1974 Cluj, today Cluj-Napoca, German: Klausenburg, sometimes Clausenburg, Latin: Claudiopolis, Saxon: Kleusenburch, Yiddish: קלויזנבורג, Klojznburg". -- Benomatis (talk) 12:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Question: @Benomatis: Those names are already on the article at the bottom of the first paragraph, except for Saxon, which is listed in the Etymology section. Please clarify what you would like changed, preferably in "change X to Y" format. —KuyaBriBriTalk 16:13, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I have seen that on a lot of WikiPedia pages the different name versions are listed in the first line. So I think best would be for the different names of the city to follow the official Romanian version in brackets, ie. to place the last sentence of the first paragraph right after the city name in bold into brackets, probably best if it follows the Romanian pronunciation. -- Benomatis (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. @Benomatis: You have become autoconfirmed. —MRD2014 Talk • Edits • Help! 22:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Just did it, thanks. -- Benomatis (talk) 22:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Kolozsvár is the other name for this city. Stop the anti-Hungarian racism and prejudice!

The Hungarian name "Kolozsvár" is included in the first sentence of the article. If you cannot find it, do a Ctrl+F search. There is clearly no deliberate omission based on some underlying political motivation being enacted here, and the tone of this discussion is starting to become disruptive. We make decisions about content by following what the reliable sources say, with arguments grounded in Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and no policy or guidelines have been cited here. Mz7 (talk) 05:41, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It is absolutely disgusting that Romanian chauvinists on wikipedia are allowed to omit the Hungarian name for this historically Hungarian city, Kolozsvár. The 'Napoca' was added by hated Communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu in 1974 to the Romanian Cluj which derives from the Hungarian Kolozs. How is this fact not mentioned in the article? Can we remind the readers that Kolozsvár was GIVEN to Romania in the Trianon Diktat, and the overwhelming population of Kolozsvár was Hungarian at the time! This is FACT.

Are you kiddding? Did you read the article? I am sure not, otherwise you would not push some nonsense allegations...(KIENGIR (talk) 01:00, 10 June 2018 (UTC))

What exactly is nonsense about what I have written? These are FACTS. If FACTS are nonsense to you, then I cannot help you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.206.32 (talk) 08:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I thought you'd go away once your airports obsession faded, since you clearly have nothing to contribute to this project. Yes, Wikipedia is controlled by a cabal of nefarious Romanian chauvinists whose aim is to erase every trace of Hungarian history from our coverage of Transylvania. Oh well, such is life. Now that that's clear, hopefully you can stop bothering us. - Biruitorul Talk 14:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

You are the most awkward anti Hungarian provocateur I have come across. Did I ask for your opinion? I know what you think about Hungarians, and I know you are a chauvinist. So please keep your negative thoughts to yourself. You have been so busy omitting Hungarian place names for Hungarian towns and cities of Transylvania, I find it strange you are allowed to operate on here. Sarcasm and arrogance is a sure sign of your true character.

Dear IP,
maybe it would be better not to answer since you seem lack of seriousness...
Your nonsenses:
- The name Kolozsvár is not omitted
- Ceaucescu 1974 is mentioned in the article
- historical affiliations and populations statistics are mentioned in detail.
My final advice is, read an article before any nonsense accusation, and maybe you can help yourself.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC))

How dare you accuse me of speaking nonsense. I have just checked again. Kolozsvár is not under the heading Cluj Napoca, it is only mentioned in the article. So yes, the Hungarian name for this Hungarian city is omitted. I suggest you take another look. Ceausescu is not mentioned regarding the forced name change, what is said is: On 16 October 1974, when the city celebrated 1850 years since its first mention as Napoca, the Communist government changed the name of the city by adding "Napoca" to it. Ceausescu, added the Napoca to Cluj by diktat. It is unbelievable that this name remains added to Cluj. I cannot think of another city where the name has been changed by a Stalinist Communist dictator and still hasn't been changed since the fall of a dictatorship. Only in Romania can this happen. The article fails to mention that the name of Kolozsvár was forcefully changed from its Hungarian name to Cluj once Kolozsvár and Transylvania were given to Romania in the Trianon Diktat. Yes, it was a diktat. The majority population of Kolozsvár were indeed Hungarian right up until the 1960's. Hungarians were forced to become Romanian citizens. This is not any kind of nonsense, it is FACT.

It is similar with the airport in Kolozsvár where they have renamed it after a notorious murderer of innocent Hungarians Avram Iancu. It would be the same as if Köln airport was named after Heinrich Himmler. Unthinkable. But in Romania, this is not an issue, in fact this mass murderer is seen as a national hero!

You just reinforced my suggestion that you are lack of seriousness, so yes I dare!
- Kolozsvár is immediately at the first line, so nothing is omitted, I should take a look? :-)
- You tell me seriously it is not obvious that in 1974 who could gave direct orders to the communist authorities, as well among Romanians these authorities are not remembered as the champions of democracy?
- The rest is your comtemplations, maybe you don't like many things happened in history, but your exaggerated dissatisfaction not. Also in Hungary there were forced communist name changes, as well in the Soviet Union (Sztálinváros, Leningrad, Stalingrad, etc.), so it is not true that "only in Romania can this happen".
- Treaty of Trianon is mentioned in the article, moreover Romanians called historically the city as Cluj also before 1920.
- I don't know much about your activity in the Cluj International Airport article, just checking one I see the Hungarian name you tried to added in the infobox. The airport was made in 1917 but for passenger planes first it was used in 1928. The Hungarian name could be added if in the history section it's creation would be discussed, or in that section were the period between 1940-1944 is discussed, but for this, only seek consensus in the talk page first (However I checked just your trials, your argumantation is offensive, fallacious, moroeover you are provocating Romanians with other subjects that have not even any direct connection to the topic...)
An advice: if you don't change to be precise and don't pull back you accusations and your harsh style you have less chance to convince other editors or expect any support from them.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC))

On the right hand side of the page, we only have Cluj Napoca I cannot see the Hungarian name Kolozsvár, so yes, as I said in the beginning Kolozsvár is omitted, and was deleted after it was previously inputted. Why are you trying to say otherwise?

I said that only in Romania has that happened that a city way renamed by a Stalinist Communist dictator and since the downfall of Communism and totalitarianism, the name has not been changed back to it's former Romanian name Cluj. Yes in Hungary were also forced name changes of towns, like Sztálinváros but they are not called that in 2018! What is it you don't understand? Ceausescu changed Cluj into Cluj Napoca, and this has remained. I repeat, there is no other country in the world as far as I am aware that a town or city's name was forcefully changed by a totalitarian dictator and still has that name today, but yes in Romania this is the case, do you understand now?? There is nothing offensive about my argumentation. What is offensive? You read but don't actually understand despite the fact that I have written in plain English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.206.32 (talk) 23:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Rephrasing

This may be accepted, but then in the mother article it has to be pointed out what claims were not fulfilled.(KIENGIR (talk) 21:33, 17 June 2018 (UTC))

Language rights EU

Legally: • based on Art. 33 of the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities (1995); • based on Art. 113 of the Romanian-Hungarian State Treaty (1996); • Moreover, Hungarian made up more than 20% of the population of Kolozsvár / Cluj at the time when the above two treaties were signed! • based on Art. 282 of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages (2007); • based on Resolution no. 99/2002 of the Kolozsvár / Cluj City Council; • Kolozsvár / Cluj is included on page 15 of Government Decree no. 1206/ 2001 – the lack of a multilingual town sigh in Kolozsvár / Cluj amounts to geographical discrimination; • the multilingual town sign offers protection against nationalism and racism; • Law no. 215/ 2001 does not prohibit it, therefore it is at any time possible. Since the Hungarian population of Kolozsvár/ Cluj dropped below 20% of the total population, our Foundation has offered to cover the costs of the sign. Read the judgement of first instance on our website! The court of second instance did not refute the language rights! In our opinion, this is incorrect, and therefore our Foundation will appeal.

http://language-rights.eu/GB/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.205.205 (talk) 11:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2020

change "Cluj-Napoca is the fourth most populous city in Romania." to "Cluj-Napoca is the third most populous city in Romania.", change corresponding reference to one below: [1] Ozmatazz buckshank (talk) 09:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ozmatazz buckshank

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 07:46, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2020

Native name fore this Transylvanian city is KOLOZSVÁR 82.45.205.205 (talk) 23:42, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Already mentioned in the lead sentence. RudolfRed (talk) 01:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2019

Cluj is the 2nd most populated city in Romania not 4th Neculatony (talk) 16:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 21:41, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

As I want to empty the Talk Page to show its shine with the templates above, I help the user Neculatony. (https://travelaway.me/most-beautiful-cities-romania/ ; https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/biggest-cities-in-romania.html ; http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/romania-population/cities/) As those trigger the word "The second largest" in the google search. Editoneer (talk) 17:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

1941 data

There was no Romanian census carried out in Cluj in 1941 (obviously). The 110,956 figure is a 1945 estimate based on a 1939 estimate. As such, there’s no real need to include it — let’s stick to census figures. - Biruitorul Talk 08:02, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, but it does not seem that the data from The Statesman's Year-Book are accurate, at least for Northern Transylvanian cities; the data for these cities are obviously for 1941, and not for 1945 (Galopentia/Georgescu's work is more credible, in this case). (Rgvis (talk) 08:18, 12 April 2020 (UTC))

Why should there have been a Romanian census carried out in Kolozsvár (now Cluj) in 1941 if it was in Hungary at that time? What a bizarre question. Do they carry out Hungarian census out in Kolozsvár while under Romanian occupation??

Cluj fourth largest city in Romania?

Not consistent with both Romanian version of this page, and English page for Romana (which contains a table of cities ranked by population). In these pages, Cluj is listed as second largest city in Romania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C03:4837:7900:E0D8:B8A2:57CD:59CC (talk) 19:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/romania-population/cities/
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