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Charity?[edit]

I think the story in the Guardian, if you read between the lines, is that this charity is "investing" its income on advertising now so it can provide more charitable provision in the future, instead of simply spending money now on charitable provision as its donors might expect. However I don't think I can put that in the article without a reliable source to spell it out. Any ideas where to look? CitizenLit1 (talk) 13:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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CityLitComms edit[edit]

An account called User:CityLitComms removed the "Accolades and criticism" section, pasted in text about fellows (presumably from their website), and made a few other updates: [1]. I have reverted and softblocked the account in accordance with WP:COI, WP:COPYVIO, and WP:USERNAME. Fences&Windows 16:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another account called User:City Lit made extensive edits including pasting in promotional text about fellows. I have again reverted and softblocked. Fences&Windows 07:43, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Discussed at Wikipedia:Help desk#Edits to. City Lit page and below. Fences&Windows 12:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Updating City Lit Information[edit]

Hi,

I am part of the City Lit Comms team and I am trying to update some of the very old information on this page but i now understand that I have been doing it incorrectly and should have requested the change here.

Therefore please can the following changes be considered. I believe they are neutral and not of a promotional nature. We are not trying to drive sales via this page.

I request the following changes in the intro section. this is a factual change and covers all academic areas rather than the few listed originally.

City Lit is an adult education college in Holborn, central London, founded by the London County Council in 1919 which has charitable status. It offers around 6000 part-time courses across 4 Schools and 5 Centres of Expertise: • School of Humanities and Sciences • School of Languages • School of Performing Arts • School of Visual Arts • Centre for Deaf Education • Centre for Family Learning and Community Outreach • Centre for Learning Disabilities Education • Centre for Speech Therapy • Centre for Universal Skills

I have requested the following in History which gives more content to our founding in 1919. it also updates the facilities which were already listed.

History[edit] In 1918, following the war, the London County Council wanted to strengthen non-vocational education. They approved the opening of five literary institutes: Plumstead and Woolwich, Marylebone, Dalston, Peckham, and City Literary Institute (City Lit). They took their first students in September 1919 in premises off Fetter Lane in The City of London. At the time, it was a radically different approach to adult education. The first four classrooms were leased from a teacher training college.[3] City Lit is now the sole survivor of London’s Literary Institute movement. Amongst the very first classes on offer were classes in lipreading for soldiers who had acquired hearing loss from shelling in the First World War. In 2005, City Lit moved from its building in Stukeley Street to new, purpose designed premises in nearby Keeley Street,[4] which are fully accessible [5] and include facilities such as studio spaces, a gallery, library, student support desk, roof terrace with a herb garden, the John Lyon's Theatre, photography studios, fashion studios, digital and design labs and music recital rooms.

I added a part about the Centenary which is a notable milestone for any institution:

Centenary[edit] In 2019, City Lit celebrated its Centenary with a year of events reflecting upon the previous 100 years. At the City Lit Centenary Awards, HRH The Princess Royal was awarded the Centenary Fellowship for her outstanding contribution to adult learning. In accepting her award from Chair of the City Lit Governing Body Dame Moira Gibb, Her Royal Highness said “I have had the pleasure of visiting City Lit a number of times to meet its inspirational learners and tutors, as well as welcoming City Lit students to Buckingham Palace as National Learning Ambassadors. It is particularly encouraging to see how people of all ages and backgrounds come together at City Lit to challenge themselves and transform their lives. If education can be defined as ‘training for life’, then lifelong learning and its ability to unlock potential throughout people’s lives should be accepted as part of life. I am honoured to receive the City Lit Centenary Fellowship."[6]

I expanded the accolades and criticism section. the Guardian piece now has direct quotes from the piece rather than paraphrasing which i think makes clear the critics' point of view as well as the college's. also some awards were already mentioned so i have just added the new awards which have been won. i also updated the ofsted report with direct quotes rather than paraphrasing.

Accolades and criticism[edit] In 2007 City Lit was the first adult education college to be given the Queen's Anniversary Prize, to mark their international reputation in stammering therapy In 2011 City Lit were graded "Outstanding" by government Ofsted inspectors stating "Teaching and learning are good with outstanding features. Learners benefit from teachers who are highly experienced, inspirational professionals. Learners are excited by their studies and in the best lessons they are active learners readily supporting others. However, weaker lessons are too teacher led." [7] In 2014, proposed cuts and redundancies, including to university access, English and maths GCSE courses, and deaf education, attracted criticism. The Guardian reports a "senior source" attributed the need for cuts to "government funding cuts, combined with extra pension and national insurance costs" amounting to £1.7m a year less in funding for the college by 2015. Some students criticised the continuation of short courses such as graffiti cross-stitch, beer tasting and burlesque dancing whilst cuts to access courses were being made. The college justified the offer as part of a long-term funding strategy to "run more classes popular with the people who pay full price, and that money is then reallocated."[8] The 2016 Ofsted report found that City Lit was a Good provider, rated Good in four categories and Outstanding in one category. The summary stated "A very high proportion of learners make good progress with their learning, quickly developing confidence in their own ability to learn new skills to become independent learners" and "Learners develop very good technical, vocational and language skills that help them to find sustainable employment or to progress into higher levels of responsibility at work." In making recommendations as to how to make improvements, Ofsted suggested they "Eradicate the minority of teaching, learning and assessment that is not of a high enough standard, and ensure that learners make good progress"[2] In 2018, Rusell Aldersson, tutor in the Centre for Deaf Education was nominated for a Times Educational Supplement FE Awards Teacher of the Year award.[9] In 2019, Fiona Pickett was awarded the Festival of Learning Tutor of the Year award.[10] In 2019, City Lit was awarded the Festival of Learning President's Award for its outstanding contribution to adult education over 100 years.[11] In 2019, City Lit Students Sylvia Rowbottom[12] and Dace Miksite[13] were named Finalist Winners at the Festival of Learning Awards for their commitment to adult learning.

I added a notables section which is common in academic institutions

Notable Tutors, Lecturers and Alumni[edit] TS Eliot, Lecturer[14] Edmund Blunden, Lecturer[15] Rebecca West, Lecturer[16] Edith Sitwell, Lecturer[17] David Bowie, Student Steven Berkoff, Student Richard Wilson, Student Malorie Blackman, Student Andrea Levy, Student Jenny Colgan, Student Jake Arnott, Student Sir Anthony Gormley, Student Jimmy Carr, Student Kerry Godliman, Student Francesca Martinez, Student Shazia Mirza, Student Lisa Snowdon, Student

All additions/edits are a genuine attempt to keep the info on this page accurate and are not a sales pitch. I can provide further citations/references if required. thanks Buggiba (talk) 12:30, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Buggiba: (and @Fences and windows:, @Lord Belbury: for information) As you have already posted the edits I have reviewed them individually and reversed or edited some of them. My comments are below. Where there is a POV issue I suggest an edit request.

  • 13:55, 30 November 2019‎ Lord Belbury (move list of schools into article body, bullet list for alumni, image to infobox)
Comment OK: reformats Buggiba edits
  • 11:53, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (→‎Courses: deleted hotcourses reference as it is out of date. the number is now around 6000 but have not added as am assuming it'll be classed as promoting)
Comment OK
  • 11:51, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (→‎Notable Tutors, Lecturers and Alumni: added citations)
Comment See below
  • 11:49, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (talk | contribs)‎ . . (12,036 bytes) (+582)‎ . . (added notable tutor, lecturer alumni section. i've looked at other educational institutions to ensure it's similar in style to theirs)
Comment All names should be referenced. Unreferenced names removed.
  • 11:31, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (→‎Centenary: updated the list of awards which City Lit and its students have won.)
Comment Festival of Learning ismentioned in Adult Learners' Week
  • 11:11, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (→‎Centenary: the previous information regarding the Ofsted report was inaccurately paraphrasing the original report which did not give a balanced account. I have replaced this with direct quotes from the report itself for both compliments and recommendations regarding improvements.)
Comment Reversed as not neutral POV.
  • 10:55, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (→‎Centenary: and accolades and criticism. centenary is a factual account of the 100 years of the college. Updated the piece from The Guardian to make it clear the source of cuts to government funding and the rationale behind making the cuts. all fact checked and linked to the original Guardian piece)
Comment Reversed as not neutral POV.
  • 10:32, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (→‎History: added information about historic classes. added the fact that City Lit celebrated its centenary year in 2019 and that Princess Anne received the centenary fellowship.)
Comment Historic classes removed as reference needed. Excess detail removed.
  • 10:13, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (→‎History: added first premises location)
Comment Reversed as reference needed.
  • 10:11, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (→‎History: I have updated the paragraph regarding facilities which described some of the facilities as 'new'. As this was added some time ago, it it no longer accurate. I have also added the name of the theatre which is a factual change, added that there is a design hub (added last year so was missing from this listing previously and there is a gallery which was added this year which was missing from previous info.)
Comment Reversed as reference needed.
  • 10:05, 28 November 2019‎ Buggiba (Added more accurate information about the academic areas covered by City Lit courses which were previously vague. I believe this is factual information rather than promotional.)
Comment 6000 students removed as reference needed. Detail should not be in lead: corrected by Lord Belbury. TSventon (talk) 08:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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