Talk:Cimarron (1931 film)

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condescending and even racist[edit]

"Despite such high honors, the film took a condescending and even racist view of both African American and Native American people and culture. " IS this the film's view? or would it be pbetter to say "The lead characters take a condescending and even racist view of both African American and Native American people and culture." ? Rich Farmbrough, 14:50 19 January 2007 (GMT).

I'll do some research on it, I think I have a book at home that covers this flick a bit. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree with the first poster. The indians are shown with respect in the film, although some characters show condescending and racist ways; nevertheless the protagonist, Yancy Cravat, is shown as a person with the uttermost respect for the indians (and prostitutes and outlaws), blaming the "social order" for their condition. That seems very daring for a Hollywood film to me. I'd like to see a citation for the racist view nowadays. Anyway, I don't quite understand this tendency in present considerations, full of political correctness and so devoided of deep reflection. Nazroon (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How this film, where Native Americans are shown to have been clearly robbed by the white government, where the hero is proud to have his own son marry an American-Indian, where the only black character sacrifices himself to save the children, is labelled as racist. Whereas Gone with the Wind, where blacks are consistently portrayed as imbeciles, slaves are shown to be happy to work for master, where the female heroine smacks her servants and whips her horses to death, is labelled as one of the greatest film of all time amazes me. How, I ask you? Insanity.--EchetusXe 20:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. My own take on the film is that it shows the increasing tolerance of the nation as a whole towards modern views was becoming widespread in the late 20s, and, depending on its "veracity" as a fictional work, perhaps even back into the time frame it is set within. Certainly there are characters who view blacks and indians in the stereotypical manner, but that is, in fact, a realistic take on the times. It goes to the film's credit that it specifically takes the time to advance the more modern egalitarian view.

--OBloodyHell (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just watched Cimarron again and let what some contemporary reviewers and critics about its racial stereotypes--not exactly racism mind you--roll off my back. If I had to rely on today's woke perspective in order to criticize a nearly 100 year old film I think I'd feel pretty lame. Werkentagen (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

sexism[edit]

In addition to my above comments about supposed racism, I would point out that this film has a fairly even-handed depiction of the sexes and sex roles (very different things) that belies the typical image of women as totally powerless and oppressed. I would suggest this a worthy theme to research and develop for entry in it.
--OBloodyHell (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary[edit]

It's absurd that the only hints as to the movie's plot come in a section about perceived racism. Another fine Wikipedia job of failing to inform anyone of anything. john k (talk) 19:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

disambig[edit]

Needs hat note or disambig link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimarron_%281960_film%29 Sadsaque (talk) 17:29, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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