Talk:Chris Benoit/Archive 1

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Pictures

Why does someone keep removing the pictures from the page?

Title reign tables, etc

I made tables for the Title reign part, hope that's okay. --80.130.190.53 21:17, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

As the author of the Title History section, I think that the tables are horrible. I didn't make it that way because it's ugly for anyone that has low screen resolutions. They are also harder to read in my opinion. At least, with my presentation of the information, they were easy and straight forward to read.

Eric42 02:10, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Finally created an account here, I'm the one who made the tables. Well, I think that my version of the Title History looks better and is better to read. But maybe I'm the only one who thinks that way? I'd like to hear other opinions.

I changed the look of the tables a bit, do they look okay?

Title Reigns

What	Who	When	Where
Extreme Championship Wrestling
World Tag Team Title (with Dean Malenko)
Defeated	Sabu & Tazmaniac	February 25, 1995	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Lost to	Public Enemy1	April 8, 1995	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Token 01:09, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have made two versions of the "Title History" tables now. You can see the other one at Stone Cold Steve Austin. I think the table in Austins article is a bit long. The table in Benoits article might be unfriendly for users with lower resolutions. What do you think which table should be used for the Title Histories for the wrestlers? --Token 12:54, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Do you really need a mini-paragraph for every PPV title event Benoit has? I mean, in a year, is anyone going to care that Benoit had a US title match against Orlando Jordan at the Great American Bash?

Having a detailed account of every Benoit appearance on SmackDown! is not only tedious, it's unnecessary. - PhilTLL 02:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Benoit having "Super Tombstone Piledriver" as a Benoit does regularly, um, no. At one time, a very long time ago, he was doing piledrivers as part of his moveset, but he hasn't done a piledriver, super or otherwise, in many years, dating even well before the ban on dangerous moves in WWE. At this point, anyone who even knows that Benoit did a piledriver at one time should be rewarded for their knowledge of very miniscule trivia. I'm removing it. Someone can consider adding it in as trivia if they like. --Pathogen 03:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Quotes I WILL MAKE YOU TAP OUT come on he says that! 130.111.98.241 21:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC) err

I think Benoit does actually have the record for the longest time in the Royal Rumble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rumble#Royal_Rumble_Records -- ToneLa

IMO, the Personal Life section needs a little bit of an overhaul. There's the background as to what led to him and Nancy having an affair (Kevin Sullivan told them to travel and appear in public together to maintain kayfabe, to the point of having Nancy grope Chris in bars) leading to the various "Kevin Sullivan booked his own divorce" comments over the years, Nancy changing her name legally to Nancy Benoit (I'm 99% sure of this, as Dave Meltzer, who's friends with Benoit, exclusive refers to her as "Nancy Benoit"), and I'm pretty sure he and Nancy had a second child together. --David Bix 20:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

At the end of the World Wrestling Entertainment section (where it discusses Benoit's neck injury) it states Chris injured his neck in a match with X-Pac. However, I remember reading a quote by Benoit himself where he stated that he actually injured it in a match with Austin (while taking a stunner) and the superplex in the Triple Threat at KoTR simply injured him further. Can anyone verify this? --82.18.174.21 01:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Factual verifications

What nees factual verfication? Everything looks right to me.

Clearing something up

"Chris Benoit is the only person to win a Iron Man Match for the World Heavyweight Championship Belt. "

Can anyone tell what were talking about here? I don't remember him ever being in an ironman match and he didn't win his Heavyweight championship in an ironman match.

RAW, July 26, 2004. Benoit defended the World Title successfully against Triple H in a sixty-minute Iron Man match, winning 4 falls to 3. This has so far been the only Iron Man match involving the World Heavyweight Championship (though there have been a few non-title and a few WWF/E Championship matches that were Iron Man matches), so therefore the statement's true.

And the sentence doesn't necessarily follow that Benoit won the title in the Iron Man match, just that he won an Iron Man match that was for the title. However, I can see why that sentence might be confusing, so I'll add a little bit at the end of it. ekedolphin 05:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Chris Benoit doesn't have the record for being in the Royal Rumble the longest. Rey Mysterio now holds the record.

Benoit didn't win the World Heavyweight Championship in the an Iron Man match. He retained the World Heavyweight Championship in an Iron Man match. There is a difference.
fishhead2100 12:02 26 April 2006 (UTC)

US title in succession table

WWE considers Benoit to simply be a "4-time United States champion," making no distinction between when he won it as a WCW sanctioned title and as a WWE sanctioned title. Should the succession table reflect this? Tromboneguy0186 22:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

'The title history on WWE.com considers it to be one unbroken lineage, and the same title reguardless of promotion69.9.31.132 17:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Rolling Germans Name

I don't think anyone's officially named Benoit's Rolling German Suplexes. They're referred to as the Trifecta, but I don't think that's necessarily the term.

I've always heard and called it a Triple German Suplex(es?). Probably doesnt mean anything though.

I've heard it called by all of those names, depending on the announcer. As long as it's clear what move it is (three linked standard german suplexes, not the vertical kind) I think it's clear enough. Also, please sign your comments on talk pages. --SevereTireDamage 07:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I've also heard sevral people call it the hat trick69.9.31.132 17:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The "Rolling German Suplexes" name was from his tenure in WCW,I think. It was the WCW announcers (probably Tenay) who called it that. --Marikina

The "Rolling German Suplexes" do not have an official name and a name should not be posted on his page "Every dog has his day." 12:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC) (VampyriViper)

When Benoit does three rolling german suplexes then the commentator will often say that he is "going for the hat trick", but this is just a way of saying three, just like "a brace" can mean two, and "a dozen" means twelve. This does not mean the move is call The Hat Trick, is is just a way of saying three. Stop amending the name. Darrenhusted 14:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

WCW World Title info

Technically, Benoit DID hold the WCW World Title after Souled Out 2000, but he forfeited the title upon leaving WCW. Duo02 *Shout here!** 01:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect to Benoit, I believe he is one of the top 10 in ring performers ever, but the first WCW world Title needs to have a question mark. Replays showed that Sid Eudy's foot was in the ropes when Benoit applyed the Crippler Crossface to him, meaning he should have released the hold. Nowadays, Benoit fans (and the WWE themselves) claim that he forfeited the WCW title because he was leaving for WWE, however this is not accurate. The night after Souled Out, WCW booker, and enemy of Benoit's, Kevin Sullivan, stripped Benoit of the title because of Sid'd foot being in the rops, makin his submission to the crossface void. This was the last straw for Benoit, who then left WCW seeing that he would get nowhwere as long as Sullivan was in charge.

Benoit was given the belt in order to stop him leaving for WWF. He went anyway and offered to drop the belt in the ring rather than just forfitting it. However WCW didnt reply so he left the belt and the company. Then Benoit went to WWF and WCW claimed to have stripped him of the belt despite him already have left the company. It was revisionist history for WCW and many people seem to have mixed up the timeline. user: Darkie

4

This isn't really article stuff, but has anyone noticed that since he ran with the Horsemen Benoit has had the number 4 on his tights in some way? Or am I crazy? Bdve 19:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

At least during his WWE run, it was because of one of his catch phrases, "4 Real". --SevereTireDamage 07:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I remember Benoit having a 4-looking design on his tights in WCW, him and Dean Malenko. I think it may have something to do with them being part of the 4 Horsemen. It may also have something to do with the 4 design Brian Pillman was using in ECW. It is shown in the Brain Pillman: Loose Cannon DVD. Dreamer61898 08:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Injury legit?

Is benoit actually injured? If so they should fire Mark Henry, as he has legit injured two prominent members of the roster.69.9.31.132 17:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Contrary to belief Mark Henry never actually caused the injurie. He did however make Batista's and Angle's worse, BUT they were already injured.

Actually, Mark Henry did injure Batista, but it happened at a house show. WWE had to do something so they wouldn't have to say it happened at a house show, so they said Henry did it when slamming the cage door into Batista.JAY HARPER 01:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Billed From

Why does it not say that he is billed from Edmonton?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Killswitch Engage (talk • contribs)

Because when he wrestles he is billed from Atlanta, Georgia. It's been a few years since they billed him from Edmonton. TJ Spyke 22:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Last WM Main Event to end in submission

Isn't this no longer true? I thought Cena made HHH tap with the STFU?69.9.29.132 17:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I get it. Misread the statement. I added a statement in parentheses.69.9.29.132 17:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Summary?

Is it at all possible to give an overall summary of Benoit like many other articles about wrestlers?

What do you mean? That is what an article is. What do you think needs to be added? -- The Hybrid 15:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

In other wrestling articles, there is a brief summary of the person at the top that does not have anything to do with their history. Before the article starts, could there be a brief synopsis of Chris Benoit as a wrestler?

Something like "Benoit is known as an extremely technically adept and hard-hitting wrestler." would work. 74.70.185.44 03:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Chris Benoit Finishers

I never saw Chris Benoit used the Dragon Suplex as his finisher

He used it in the real ECW and WCW. -- THL 16:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Benoit used the Dragon Suplex in ECW and WCW. Now he uses it on a irregular basis. He used it on Regal in his comeback match, but not as a finisher. (Jam)

I never saw chris benoit do a flipping relaese german suplex. Not in WCw or ECw. Only if it was botched

I've seen him do it in the WWE on purpose. -- The Hybrid 03:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Benoit uses the Release German Suplex on a semi-regular basis, it depends on how heavy his opponnent is. He also uses it in squash matches. (Jam)

Did chris benoit ever do a tombstone pile driver in wwf/ wwe.

He did it in WCW. In the WWE basically no one is allowed to do a tombstone piledriver other then the Undertaker and Kane. -- The Hybrid 15:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Benoit did do the elevated boston crab. Back in his first run in WCW, he would commonly use it in matches, where he would lift up his opponents lower bodies to near his chest. Proof of this is on his DVD, where he talkes about his matches with 2 Cold Scorpio. Also, regarding the criss-cross choke, Tazz had said that he used that as a signature move at Judgment Day 2006 against Finlay.

We should name the diving headbutt, Air Benoit because when ever he uses it the announcer's always say "HE's going for Air Benoit" or something along those lines.

the headbutt should not be named "air Benoit' because I have heard the anouncers call it this twice. Also, there are no interveiws or websites that quote that this is the name.

Ancestors

Chris Benoit is of French-Canadian descents, but he doesn't speak french. Thus he doesn't apply to either the French-Canadian or the French-Quebecer category.

Just because he doesn't speak french doesn't mean french-canadian and french-quebec isn't in his heritage. --  Mikedk9109  (hit me up)  21:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree. He's from a French-Canadian area and on top of that he has a French name. Benoit (note the pronounciation.) (Jam)

Sorry

I hit the wrong button and accidentally gave you a vandal warning. Sorry! Jerry lavoie 01:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Air Benoit??

Each time Benoit does his diving headbutt, JBL calls t air Benoit. Shouldn't that be put as the name of this move? 205.151.6.33 17:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Uh...no. The move isn't referred to as Air Benoit, it's a diving headbutt. He's just going about how Benoit is going to fly, or the opponent is going to get "sent to hell, courtesy of Air Benoit" or something like that. Anakinjmt 19:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The move has being referred to as Air Benoit the last few weeks on commentary so it should be listed as it is the new name for the move. Odd as it has been named Diving Headbutt for like 10 years. I think a slash is the best way to go to show that it is referred to as both--24.184.173.132 21:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Please stop changing Air Benoit it's the new name for the move. It doesn't matter if it's been called Diving Headbutt for 10 or 15 years. JBL has started to call it as such. Shelton Benjamins page has his Stinger Splash under Shelton Splash due to it being called such recently. Same goes with Randy Orton having Ronnie Garvin Stomp under Randy Orton Stomp, because it's noted as such on commentary. If you can give a reason please on why to edit it out, respond but don't edit it out without responding.--24.184.169.37 07:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The stinger splash is named after Sting, and has been for 17 years. As for the "Randy Orton" stomp, that's a different matter which has nothing to do with the Chris Benoit page, save it for the Randy Orton page. Darrenhusted 11:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I know what the stinger splash is and who its named after. I was trying to make an example of the name of a move being changed by a commentator. Shelton Benjamin has been wrestling for WWE for a number of years and the announcers have always called the move the Stinger Splash until recently when Jim Ross started calling his move Shelton Splash, same goes for Randy Orton and the Ronnie Garvin Stomp being renamed by Jim Ross. The move names on their pages to show the name page. JBL has been calling Benoit's diving headbutt Air Benoit for about over a month. I don't see why everybody wants to edit it out, it's the new name for the move. It's not like I made it up as it has been called that numerous times by Smackdown! commentator JBL.--24.184.173.132 13:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Records Area

I thought when Benoit WON the United States championship from Orlando Jordan was in 25.5 seconds.

That was the second match, or maybe the third. The first was 23 something. Peace, -- The Hybrid 01:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

But it said it was the shortest match when the championship SWITCHED hands.

Royal Rumble

"He holds the record for most consecutive minutes all time in the Royal Rumble before being eliminated, lasting a total of 1:49:00 starting when he entered #1 in the 2004 Rumble and ending when he was eliminated in the Royal Rumble 2005 after being one of the two men to start it."

This is crap trivia. Lasting a certain length of time without elimination in two matches that take place a year apart is something that no one cares about and is ample evidence that trivia sections on Wikipedia are getting ridiculous. --137.81.113.27 22:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Content

I removed some content from the In Wrestling section that was unencylcopedic and not cited. Stuff like saying somebody blows their nose on a person they don't like or mentions of sloat slashing is not exactly encyclopedic unless it is cited. And no other wrestler has a "Wrestling Styles" section in their profile. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexaHughes (talk • contribs) 15:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Junior Heavyweight Championship

I figured I might as well address this because I don't want to get an edit war started. Chris Benoit never won the WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship because the WWF stopped using the title in 1985 with The Cobra winning the title for the last time on July 28, 1985. New Japan Pro Wrestling would go on to create the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship with Shiro Koshinaka winning the title in a tournament approximately 11 months after the WWF retired their title. On August 19, 1990 Benoit would win the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship going under the name of the Pegasus Kid. The WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship has no connection to the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. They don't share the same lineage. If you don't want to take my word for it, check the whole thing out on wrestling-titles.com. Or, just look at the Wikipedia articles. Each title has it's own seperate article.Odin's Beard 02:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Benoit held the WWF Light Heavyweight Title, not the junior title. It was created by the WWF for the UWA and stayed there after the promotions stopped working together. --David Bixenspan 15:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Legacy

Do you think we should add a legacy section to his article. I mean he is considered by many to be one of the greatest of all time and he is probably the best technical of all time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.185.117 (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

VOTE: Suplex vs Sharpshooter

Which image is more sufficient? The suplex or the sharpshooter? You VOTE:

File:Sharpshooter 05.jpg

Chris Benoit doing the Sharpshooter on Edge

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The above file's purpose is being discussed and/or is being considered for deletion. See files for discussion to help reach a consensus on what to do.

Benoit perfoming a German suplex on MVP.

Zenlax 05:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I say the one with the German Suplex because you can actually tell it from the picture. With the sharpshooter the only way to tell is with the caption. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.185.117 (talk • contribs).

Suplex. The Sharpshooter is too blury, especially if it gets cropped. That being said, it might do well in Sharpshooter (professional wrestling). -- Oakster  Talk   12:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Tough decision. They both kinda illustrate what their doing. BATMANrules677 19:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

fail GA

Sorry, I can't pass this as a good article - mainly because there is too much information and is badly written. The section about his early career has no structure - it looks like random facts were just strung together, with no regard to proper paragraphs.

The intro needs to have more information - it should provide a quick summing-up of the article, for someone who just wants to glance through for information.

The body of the article doesn't need ot include every title bout he has had, I don't think - major feuds and non-kayfabe information is much more beneficial.

Sorry, I'm failing this.--Macca7174 06:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Editing

I added back the personal life section to make the Early Career section more flowing, and gave these unassorted facts a banner.

WWF World Light Heavyweight Championship

I removed that title from the championships and accomplishments section because it's not a recognized reign. While Benoit is listed at winning this championship on www.wrestling-titles.com, it's irrelevant. Under the championship history of this particular title on WWE.com, none of the champions that won this title are listed in the official history prior to Taka Michinoku winning it in 1997. Therefore, the WWE doesn't recognize any of the championship reigns before this time period.Odin's Beard 01:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It was a WWF title, they just forgot that it existed. WWE constantly flip-flops on things like recognizing Antonio Inoki as a former WWF champion so their view shouldn't necessarily be considered. The NWA didn't officially recognize various title reigns (the New Zealand/Singpore and Carribean switches) that did actually happen. It should be included with a notation. --David Bixenspan 15:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't a WWF Title, it was the WWWF (note the three W's) Light Heavyweight Championship, which was an IWGP Championship at the time he won it (by winning the 1994 Super J Cup Tournament). IWGP recognizes this reign, and I am putting it back into the article. Bmg916^Speak 15:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

He didn't win it in the J-Cup, he won it on 3/3/91 in Naucalpan, DF, Mexico according to all title histories I could find. Also, the title was launched in 1981, so it was always a WWF title, as the WWWF to WWF name change was in 1979. --David Bixenspan 15:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

We (including myself) are confusing the WWF Light Heavyweight championship in this case, for the WWWF Junior Heavyweight championship, which he won at the J Cup. I have corrected this in the article (Under IWGP). Bmg916^Speak 15:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Source? It's not in any title histories on Wikipedia or elsewhere. --David Bixenspan 15:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

1994 Super J Cup Results Wikipedia page, has it, but you are right David, he won the WWF Light Heavyweight Title in 91, and according to the history of the WWWF/NJPW/IWGP (it gets somewhat confusing I guess), he won that Junior Heavyweight Championship in 1990, not 1994. It appears we are all wrong in some form, but the right thing to do here would be to remove it (and correct the 1994 Super J Cup Page?), I apologize. Bmg916^Speak 16:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Elbow/ Forearm?

Is it a forearm knockdown or a high elbow knockdown that Benoit does every week? I've heard Michael Cole say forearm and Tazz say elbow.

"However, Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due having his pubic hair get caught in the jet in his pool." are you sure this is not a joke? 202.148.19.14 16:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Benoit murderer?

Tuesday's Atlanta Journal Constitution newspaper online article states that police believe Benoit killed his wife and son on Sunday and then himself on Monday. Here is the link [1] Frog47 07:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Benoit and Family Found Dead

According to WWE.com. Expect a barrage on the page.--ProtoWolf 22:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope its just a storyline angle just like this Vince one Jcdizon 22:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Chris Benoit and his whole family were found dead in their home today. Good God this is horrible I don't think its real dude supermike

Considering the whole "Vince is dead" angle plus the fact that WWE.com reported this while the wrestling sites have yet to pick up on this, I have to wonder if this is legit or not. If it is, I offer my condolences to Benoit's family. Considering he was friends with Eddie Guerrero, one has to wonder if they're going to end up doing a tribute/storyline to him much in the same way as Latino Heat. Benoit will be missed in the squared circle. Jgera5 22:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm very sad to report that this isn't a storyline - Dave Meltzer has confirmed the Benoit family's deaths on Wrestling Observer. My condolences go out to the entire wrestling community and to anyone remotely connected to the Benoit family. Steveweiser 22:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Considering that they are reporting his WHOLE FAMILY IS DEAD I think its safe to say that sadly, its true. I can't see WWE even being this sick Mattbwn 22:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully we'll see some semblance of respect by them dropping the vince death angle for at least one night. DemonWeb 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• WWE have already confirmed that the entire show tonight will be dedicated to Benoit. Steveweiser 22:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I am in shock. I don't even know what to make of this. One of the greatest in the bussiness gone. Will the "Vince is Dead" storyline countinue? God....I can't believe this. His whole family also... Milkman 22:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

i wish it was a storyline angle but it's not my friends got a text mesg from wwe alerts and on wrestlers myspace's like gregory helms it said:

I was sitting here at my computer when I got a call informing me of the death of Chris Benoit and his family. Other than saying that my thoughts go out to to his remaining family, I don't know what to say. Chris had just called me on Thursday to check on me as he has every week since my surgery and now days later I find out that he's gone. He was my friend. This hurts! This fucking sucks!!!! Rest in peace my friend! Love you!

R.I.P. Chris Benoit

And still no news source is reporting this. Just the usual goofy prowrestling sites.

That's not unusual. It took many major news outlets a few hours to pick up on the death of Eddie. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It may take them even longer this time because of the stupid "Vince is presumed dead" angle, g-d I hope they drop that shit now... Bmg916^Speak 22:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Someone has changed the main page to say that this is an angle. Dave Meltzer has confirmed that the whole thing is true, and that Benoit sadly is dead. Steveweiser 22:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com updated with statement offering simpathies. We may need to get this Full-Protected. Mattbwn 22:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It might not hurt to jump the gun and request semi protection now before the barrage hits. On a side note, did anyone else notice that they removed all of the Vince's death stuff from the WWE.com main page? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Until confirmed by Atlanta news outlets, we should protect it and change the page back to its unedited state. MichaelBlankley 22:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any feasible way they can continue with this angle in the wake of Martel and now this tragedy. Chris Benoit was easily one of the most respected wrestlers in the history of pro wrestling, period. To continue that angle in the wake of this would be a new level of disgusting. It will be interesting to see if Vince comes out tonight on RAW. Mattbwn 22:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Called channel 11 Atlanta - they checked with Atlanta police - NO SUCH INVESTIGATION. Quit removing this comment.

Please, I don't think WWE would make false death reports. Vince is a storyline, this isn't. Your "call" to Atlanta police doesn't satisfy reports all over the internet claiming this. — Moe ε 22:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but the fact that he didn't appear at the pay-per-view the night before for "personal reasons" and then was found dead the next day seems suspicous and somewhat contrived. I hope he's not really dead but either way, it's sad that since this McMahon death angle we really can't believe any deaths in WWE.Maxwagner7 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com removed all References to the McMahon Death Angle, they updated the RAW page to a simple Chris Benoit 1967-2007 Image. Not even WWE has such bad taste that this could be an angle. WWE Raw Page 212.101.18.215 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Plus, Vince Mcmahon opened the RAW by breaking kayfabe and speaking of Benoit's death, so the angle has obviously been dropped. R.I.P. Chris. (Sawyer 00:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

I'm glad the part saying that Chris murdered his wife and son was deleted because that has not been reported as the official explanation. Let's wait for the straight facts to be delivered. AlexR42 03:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Lets not jump the gun with this. Lets wait until we can find more reliable sources. I am also glad that someone got rid of the Benoit killing his family info. Alot of people are going to come here for information so we should kept as informative as possible without pouring out speculation. And the source that was linked looked like a freelance news web-site --classicrockguy 03:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow you all are quick on this story. Here is a link that is tells what is going on so far; [2] Sorry to say it's not a story line. The officials are handling it as a homicide though apparently Benoit sent a bunch of weird email according to the news this morning. --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Even TNA are reporting it now. There's no way it can be fake.

So we know it's real now. Not an angle.

I just read the TNA piece - it hits you even more when the opposition are reporting the news. Steveweiser 22:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah - that settles it. Come on people, get real - I'll go with Channel 11 and the Atlanta police before wrestling sites.

For the time being, we have to go by what the sources are saying, even if it is a work (which I doubt it is). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

There's NO way TNA would play along with WWE storylines Movietrailer 22:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The funny things is thinking people would take an unsigned comment about a phone call to the Atlanta police as credible over official documentation on both WWE.com and its direct competition. Mattbwn 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I think based on the number of edits in the past few hours a semi-protect is at least in order. Mattbwn 23:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

If this were only a storyline, TNA would not have said a word about it, and yet it is on their page. It is, most unfortunately, legit. I'm sure Atlanta news will acknowledge something if it is found to be a suspicious death. And yes, I agree on the semi-protect. People will be editing this page like mad.trivialbass619 23:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Well it seems stopping the wrestling industry plants would help. Called Atlanta police myself - no known report or investigation. I am not the only one who has called. Why not get off your behinds and call yourself?

Oh come on, you're being stupid - it's all over the Internet now, it is most definitely legit... end of story. Mattborgi 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

And every single one is a wrestling site except a Memphis station reporting that WWE site says so. Call the Altanta police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Unsigned

The atlanta police are already there... --Unsigned

There are no credible (non-wrestling) sites reporting that he died. If it were real, surely CNN or the AP would report on it. Especially if it involved his whole family dying. --Ssj4android 23:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Easy now everybody, take a breath. In one hour we'll see if it's real or not. Mattbwn 23:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The lack of respect shown here for a deceased human being truely disgusts me. MMAnzi 23:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you think this should have a semi-protect if vandalism occurs today? --Mikecraig 23:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Right now, we're best off patrolling it constantly for vandalism and reverting it when it happens. Semi-protection might be needed soon, however. Rdfox 76 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The Atlanta police probably wouldn't talk about an ongoing investigation. I wish it was a work, but I doubt it is. 68.18.33.219 23:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)Adam Nelson

http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=a76b6326-1f90-4539-988e-cf4eb2b8cd7f&rss=59 75.2.200.118 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WSB in Atlanta confirms. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html?rss=atl&psp=news

This can't be a work unfortenly. Even WWE.com confirms this.

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For everyone saying they have called the Atlanta Police, you need to be aware this isn't an active investigation by the Atlanta Police Department. The investigation is being conducted by the Fayette County Sheriff's Department, and you should call them. Link to story. --Hookedonlsd 01:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok Folks

Time to settle down a bit. Taking a few extra minutes or more to confirm information AND to reliably source it (no, PWTorch, 1wrestling.com are not reliable sources) will not kill the article. Please do not continue to edit war on the page, we don't want to full protect it, but we will if we have to. SirFozzie 23:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Agree --Mikecraig 23:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

ok here is a source from an atlanta news site

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html Movietrailer 23:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html - Atlanta Journal Constitution is reporting on it. - Matt J

We've been reported on

"To those emailing us with the note from Wikipedia.com claiming the Benoit-family death situation is a WWE television angle - we can confirm that rumor is completely false. There is nothing scripted about the very tragic circumstances that unfolded today." [3] -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

There are many more useless, hurtful, and ignorant items added into this discussion than the ones you deleted. Should get your priorities straight. 75.2.200.118 23:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Protect the article

I'd like to suggest that an administrator put protection on the Benoit article. No doubt that people will be flocking here to get information, and some will be tempted to edit the article with false information. TheOneCalledA1 23:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It's already happening, I'm sorry to say. -- MisterHand 23:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I have requested that it be fully protected for the time being because we won't be getting any information any time soon and it should be protected at least until new verified information comes in. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. seven+one 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think protection is necessary just patience. Eventually the truth (and it is seemingly more likely that it is an AWFUL truth) will be verified sufficiently for all parties. Even though some MSM outlets are beginning to come out with this story, I am still hoping it's just an angle. In the meantime please don't edit war, the article isn't going anywhere, and there will be sufficient time to sort out all the issues. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 23:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with full protection; what we want is semi-protection. Full protection is only for ongoing edit wars and such. For example, the article on the Virginia Tech massacre experienced near-constant vandalism for days after the event, but it has never been beyond semi-protection. Vandalism by established editors can be dealt with through standard Wiki means--we monitor and correct it, and use warnings and WP:AIV to deal with it. I would, however, recommend starting with uw-v2 at a minimum for vandalism, and wouldn't disagree with uw-v4im for people putting in claims that this is all a work. Rdfox 76 23:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the article needs to be protected for the next while. I've just been on a couple of webforums and Wikipedia's rep is taking some hits from people upset over the false reports that made their way into the article before the lock-down. Wiki's reputation is shaky enough; in some respects I think wikipolicy should indicate that articles like these should be instantly locked to all but registered editors once a story like this breaks. Obviously in practice it's more difficult to do that than in theory ... 23skidoo 00:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I recommend a full protect on the article for one week just to keep things together as the details of his death comes forward. Maybe we should look at something for the long term future in regards to this page's protection. AnthonyWalters 01:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

We try to only use full protection in ongoing edit wars, and then as sparingly as possible. I'm sure a lot of folks have it on their watch list. Just make sure everything is sourced, and if the situation changes, then the article can change. SirFozzie 01:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Tyeman64 types: I believe as well semi-protect will do for now. Any member here would be smart enough not to add what they dont know. As wikipedia isnt here for speculation but for facts.tyeman64 10:43 pm est, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

TSN

TSN.ca is now reporting on Benoit's death. [4] -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

So has FoxNews [5], with apparent verification that the authorities are investigating it. The problem is, most of these reports are linking their stories to WWE.com, which to people like me who don't want to believe it's true, gives the hope that this may all be some sick and misguided work. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 00:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

• The Canadian Press wire service is reporting it, though only using he WWE site as a source. Having worked for CP-related media I can say with assurance they wouldn't be posting this if there wasn't a legitimate indication it's true. See here 23skidoo 00:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

They can always ask local authorities to validate the claim, so its legit.--Bedford 00:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Besides, common sense would dictate that this wouldn't follow the WWE formula for a work; it wasn't built up on TV at all, they already have a similar story going on (or they did), and they cancelled an entire show and sent the audience home. Jeff Silvers 00:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

WSB linking to article

WSB-TV (Atlanta's ABC affiliate) has linked to Chris Benoit's wiki page here. Where is the talk template for noting an article that has been used as a source by a news organization? --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 00:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't see a link there, Kitch... :? 00:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, where's the link there? (Sawyer 01:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

Just some advice

Is there any explanation as to why my section in here was deleted? Send me a message before you do that. Anyway, (http://www.tmz.com) - This is yet another news site confirming his death. No need to believe trolls, especially those who refuse to sign their posts. Legendotphoenix 01:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Associated Press

A very reliable source, the Associated Press, has reported about the deaths here. Rest in peace, Benoit. ~ UBeR 01:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

DOD

Should the date of death be listed as June 25 yet? We know he was found today, but until the autopsy is released (expected Tuesday), we don't know for sure the date of death. Right now, all we know for sure is it happened sometime between Sunday afternoon (June 24th) and 2:30pm June 25th. So with that, shouldn't the DOD be listed as unknown, until offical word? Rawboard 01:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It should stay as the 25th until a source says otherwise. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Legendotphoenix 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. However, don't threaten full protection over this unless someone gets into a revert war. Try using the Talkpage warning system and going through WP:AIV before going that far, OK? Rdfox 76 01:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The one user who I was reverting had added that date two or three times previously. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I gave him a uw-v2 warning on his talkpage. If he does it again, give him higher-level warnings. If he ignores the level-four warning, then report him to AIV. Full protection is for severe vandalism by multiple sockpuppets, or revert wars. Rdfox 76 01:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Being investigated as a Possible Murder-Suicide

[6]. With something this explosive, with no named source, or even an unnamed source I don't see how we can add it yet,but it's out there. SirFozzie 01:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope to god its not murder ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 02:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That should be taken out of the article. The AJC is the ONLY paper I've seen reporting that. And the actual investigators...Lt. Tommy Pope of the local police said it was being investigated as a HOMICIDE. Period. No mention of suicide. Until the AJC's report is supported by someone else, or their sources are cited....that part should be removed. Abalu 02:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Abalu

I agree, and have removed it from the article. SirFozzie 02:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Also agreed - let's keep this out of the article until we can find more sources. Legendotphoenix 02:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Update: Is there ANYBODY who gets Atlanta stations that can confirm this? I just got this from someone who lives down there.

Local 10p news (WAGA-TV) is reporting that investigators have told them that, based on evidence found inside the home that they are not ready to disclose, they believe Benoit may have killed his wife & son a couple of days earlier before taking his own life sometime in the past 24 hours.

According to WAGA, the bodies were discovered by a neighbor today after WWE "promoters" were unable to reach the Benoits by phone. The bodies were found in separate rooms, Nancy in an office area, Daniel in an upstairs bedroom, and Chris in a weight room.

The latter part of that (the locations) were given on-camera by an investigator, the rest was from the reporter who did the stand up piece from the local sheriff's department.

(Bolding and signing) SirFozzie 02:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope that this is anything but the truth. Chris has always seemed like an honorable and respectful man as long as I've watched him wrestle, and to hear this kind of story disgusts me. Although to find out if this is the truth would probably sicken me even more. Let's just hope this is speculation at best, or some punk jackass talking out of his 4th point of contact... Mike 02:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

This whole thing seems very strange to me. Obviously it's not part of any storyline so that's out of the question. Earlier reports were postulating that it might of been some sort of homicide where some outside party killed all three of them and some reports now are postulating that it could of been a murder suicide thing where Benoit killed his family and then himself. Both scenarios seem basically impossible to me. Benoit was a fairly large and powerful person and there were no reports of any sort of struggle so it seems that given the circumstances the chances of some outside party coming in and murdering them all is very slim. I've been a fan of wrestling for several years and know numerous people who have met Benoit and all accounts say that he was a calm and peaceful person, very very nice. So it's impossible for me to conceive him murdering his family and then committing suicide. I'm not proposing any changes be made to the article right now, I just don't believe we should immediately put any sort of media postulations in the article at this early a state. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 02:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, ABC News is reporting the following (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1):

"There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation, or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."

Pope said "the instruments of death were located on scene," but would not specify what those instruments are or where in the house the bodies were found. Pope added the department is "not actively searching for any suspects outside of the house." "

I think that fairly well sums it up, though of course this can't be confirmed by any other source thus far that I've found. Goofyman 02:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

"the instruments of death"? That's awfully strange. Benoit was probably one of the most peaceful, clam and nice wrestlers there are, people there are. I simply can't phantom him being the culprit in these terrible events. I don't know much about his wife though. My initial assumptions was possibly some sort of food poisoning or maybe a gas leak that caused their deaths since I read other reports that the bodies were found in totally different parts of the house, His wife in her office, son in his bedroom and Benoit was in his weight room. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 02:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a righteous cite, however, since A) It's ABC News, B) We have a named person providing the information. I don't want it to be true, but this is a very righteous cite, :( SirFozzie 03:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate to sound like a dick, but this discussion is veering away from being relevant to the article. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's ok. Anyone have any problems with putting that paragraph in, since it is now well cited? SirFozzie 03:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately we might as well, I just saw it noted on MSNBC. This really is a sad story. Mike 03:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No dont not until tommorow. Wait for the cops to release more tommorow.Tyeman64 03:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC) 11:12 pm 6/25/2007

From WWE.Com -- "It has been ruled that the deaths of Chris Benoit, his wife Nancy and their son Daniel earlier today were the result of a double murder-suicide from within the home. WWE.com will have more as soon as it becomes available." Jezebel Parks 03:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better for the time being to state that "the police were called to check on the welfare of..." instead of stating that said person or said company called them??? --TipoBarra 03:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Wikipedia should just jump onto what news agencies or especially wwe.com says given the amount of inconsistency in their reports today. This article will no doubt continue to change all night and tomorrow and I believe we should simply mention that they were found dead in their home without reporting what news agencies are saying at this moment. Fully protected the article until new and solid information comes to light tomorrow or whenever. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 03:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

If you want to make the request at WP:RfPP, Wikidudeman, you certainly can, but with the amount of cites provided for that paragraph, I don't think there's any way A) We can take that paragraph out, and B) that you will get a Full Protect on the article. SirFozzie 03:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why not? The page is being heavily vandalised by vandals who have accounts. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Because in cases where it's vandalism (and not an edit war), they do not full protect the page unless the volume of vandalism is so great that the regular editors cannot keep up with it. SirFozzie 03:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

But the article is being edited at such a fast and furious pace that whenever one tries to revert vandalism, they have edit conflicts or accidentally revert legitimate edits and vice versa. I think that qualifies as making it so that it is hard to keep up. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I argee with what SirFozzie is saying, but there needs be a certain protection. also, i feel that people need to write things in a way which is accurate, yet not speculative to what has happened. it is possible that they all died of an illness, or have been murdered. it is our role not to jump to conclusions, but to right accurate articles based on the facts we have. the informantion is not 100% reliable at the moment, as Wikidudeman correctly states, but i think there is enough information there to write summit accurate --TipoBarra 03:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

This Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed Proposal sure would come in handy right now... Wikidudeman ^(talk) 03:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Is this just vandalism?

Various users keep adding "Investigators believe that Benoit killed his wife and son over the weekend and then himself sometime on Monday although the cause is unknown" is that actually coming from somewhere, or is it just vandalism? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

In the subject above, there's a news article posted that suggests the police have suspicion that that's what might have happened. Arrowny 03:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's current media postulations that came from a detective on the case. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 03:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whether you believe it should be included (I personally do, though it should definitely be made clear that there is still no official word on the situation), yes, the investigator did in fact say that it looks like Benoit murdered his wife and son before killing himself the following day. Jeff Silvers 03:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have asked a couple fellow admins to take a look at it, protection wise and BLP wise. SirFozzie 04:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to add the word POSSIBLE to the murder-suicide phrase, as well as indicating that the autopsy is tomorrow, there likely wont be results for a couple weeks, but it doesn't appear that my edit is 'taking'. And ABC news had this on the cause of death: "There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide." Bsbfan4alex 05:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we can't use Wikipedia articles to disseminate speculation. I ask that people refrain from making such contributions. The article is already semi-protected, if it continues I might be forced to fully protect the article. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 04:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

So we can say that the investigator (and NAME the investigator) said it, but we cannot report it as fact. SirFozzie 04:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that might be reasonable but before added on it should have some kind of consensus from other users editing this article. So what do contributors think of SirFozzie's suggestion?--Jersey Devil 04:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

So long as it's attributed to a reliable source - and reported as such - I have no objection to including this as it represents the present state of the investigation. In another day, this will change, but it's supposed to be easy to revise this wikithingy anyway, so I don't see the problem. Rklawton 04:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Obviously we can't just say "Benoit killed his wife and son," but it is important, notable, and verifiable that an investigator on the case has suggested it could've occurred that way. Jeff Silvers 04:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Likewise, reporting "news" from the WWE website isn't appropriate because they aren't a reliable source for the current state of the investigation. I trust local and national news sources to do a better job fact checking and a (purely) entertainment-based website. Rklawton 04:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

At the same time, the WWE is citing credible and knowledgeable news sources. A lot of the WWE's article about the murder-suicide can be written into :the article citing the WWE article. This is one of the very most rare of times where WWE.com is going to break kayfabe to break a legit news story. --Raderick 05:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Request Full Protection

Registered users such as 217mattq are editing the entry with profane or useless information (until the investigation is done). I think a request for full protection on the article needs to be implemented. GZadmin 05:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, it's all wild speculation until an autopsy report comes out, and even after that I suspect there will be continued vandalism done even by registered users. IrisKawling 05:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't require full-protection, only a few cases of vandalism. Warn the users. — Moe ε 05:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Question: how is it that accounts only one minute old can edit this article? What's the time requirement for "newly created accounts"? Rklawton 06:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Doubt they were one minute old, some accounts are created and never used until situations like this. 4 days I believe is the requirement for "new" accounts. — Moe ε 06:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I'd read about that awhile back. I must be getting tired. Keep an eye on the article 'till I get back, will ya? And don't notify Office about anything k? Rklawton 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been fully protected after some throw-away accounts were used to continue vandalizing the article. — Moe ε 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Since when has simple vandalism become a problem? Please semi-protect the article so that you may allow the free flow of information. Thanks. ~ UBeR 06:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Until there are more confirmed facts, additional entries are mere speculation. Full protection period is only 48hrs, by which point we should hopefully have more reliable information to add. Anything else that is noticed and requires correction can be mentioned here and corrected.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose you're right, The Australian, CNN, and the Associated Press are just tosh and unreliable. ~ UBeR 07:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

According to NoDQ.com the inverstigation is over and it has been rulled a Double Murder-Suicide. So, should or can someone include that in the article though it is protected from editing? Blindsnyper 18:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this article has to be updated, (e.g. the intro) to reflect sources such as this: [7]. I think it's time to remove protection. Joaq99 01:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, the intro absolutely needs to be updated to reflect the "murder-suicide" conclusion.Ronnymexico 13:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

This article needs serious work, e.g. there is no mention of anabolic steroids (see this article [8]). Also, updates have simply been added to the Death section without being integrated into the rest of the text, so it doesn't make sense. Please remove full protection so this can occur. Joaq99 08:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand the full protection on this page...However, if this page is fully protected, shouldn't Nancy Daus' page also be fully protected? Starsfan32 15:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

it isn't getting as much attention from the vandals The Hybrid 14:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Probable new categories

In light of recent events, I foresee the probable use of at least two new categories. "Category:Murderers of children" and "Category:Canadian murderers". While it is still "speculation", it will not be very long at all until he proven to be of murder and the murder of his child (he has already, obviously, been linked to these murders), there are no other suspects and it is unlikely his kid or his wife managed to kill this hulk of a man. So just be ready for these new categories here on the talk page rather than being shocked and appalled at seeing for the first time that your hero has been categorized as a child murderer on the article itself. JayKeaton 07:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Let not jump to conclusions, even if they are probable. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball or speculative in that manner. ~ UBeR 07:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Be that as it may, all signs to point to "yes", so if you are a fan of this Benoit guy, just be ready for it. By the time this page is unlocked, the police probably will have made a statement saying that yes he was the killer. So it is possible that it was a freak accident, maybe a microwave exploded and a block of kitchen knives nearby happen to fly at all of their necks, all signs are pointing towards what the police are already saying. It is a truly sad and disturbing turn of events, I wish it didn't have to be this way. But it is. JayKeaton 07:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from such conjecture. Accusing someone of murder is quite grave, not to mention rather insensitive considering that a family has been torn apart just recently. I think you should wait until the official police report is made before thinking that the case is already solved. AMReese 07:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The case is being treated as a homicide and this is not a biography of a living person, so accusations are not so much of an issue here. The police did say that they are also treating it as a murder-suicide. It is just the facts and that is the way the facts are pointing. And that will probably be a large part of the future of this article. Also in the history of his wrestling, especially leading up to the murders, the WWE says that he has pulled out of an event or two because of "personal reasons" and also "family issues". Chris pulling out because of personal reasons and family issues just before the death of himself and his family relates directly to the death of his family. Such conjecture is necessary based on the evidence so far and also to try and figure out what to expect from this article in the future and the near future JayKeaton 08:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Also [[Category: Murder-suicide]] Nosleep1234 10:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

"Treating it as" is NOT the same as "our investigations have concluded and our official report states" - let's hold off on any such category changes until the fat lady sings. --Fredrick day 10:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

While I agree that, since this isn't a living person, the rigour applied to other current event-related people (like Willie Pickton, for instance) doesn't apply here, I personally don't think any categories that conclude a crime took place should be included until a formal statement has been made indicating that the deaths were murders/suicide. This event isn't going anywhere, no need to be hasty. Anchoress 15:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

So can these categories be added? The press conference pretty much nailed the point home. Nosleep1234 20:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)