Talk:Charter 77

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A well written article, I guess from a Czech speaker.

However, more detail on collaborators, and - to my knowledge - those absent from the Charter, such as Bohumil Hrabal, Ivan Klíma, Miloš Forman and Milan Kundera. I checked quickly on a local site listing all the original signatories, and appear to be correct - but Czech isn't my strong suit.

The role of the Státní Bezbečnost (StB) - the Czechoslovak secret police - needs to be addressed, and maybe a link with a page on them. There's one on the Czech wiki, but not in English. Their influence on the current political milieu in the Czech Republic is worth a page of its own. --TresRoque 22:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)----[reply]

Role of the NED[edit]

The article says

The group was linked to the National Endowment for Democracy.

It has a reference, which is a dead link to Google cache of some article on voltairenet.org. The reference might have been to this article, which states:

The NED affirms to have completely created the Solidarnosc trade union in Poland, the Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia and Otpor in Serbia.

That claim seems quite wrong, though - The NED was formed in 1983.

I don't know the truth, I'm just looking at the 'sources'. I'll remove the dead link, but I won't add this one, because it really seems wrong (it's also a claim of a claim - I'd rather see the NED claim itself). I'll look for something more tangible. — Marvin talk 21:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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Lede too uninformative[edit]

The lede on this page doesn't summarise the purpose or implications of the charter. From reading the lede I'm absolutely none the wiser of what it's about. Not my area so I won't touch it but perhaps someone else can expand it slightly with a little more detail? Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 13:00, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are also a few inconsistencies in the article that need to be addressed. For example, in one line it says that there were approximately 1900 signatories, but in the next line, only 1,065 people ever signed the document. "It emphasized that Charter 77 is not an organization", but later "many of the organization's activists and members" not to mention "in 1992 the organization dissolved". Editrite! (talk) 23:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Florin Kovach" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Signatories[edit]

Hi @FromCzech, why did you remove more than a dozen references from the article and instead added a whole bunch of unreferenced names to the signatories list? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I cited the official list of known signatories published by Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes and removed the rest as it was no longer needed (WP:OVERCITE). So they are properly referenced. And why you made that "copyedits" after my edit? None of them is better than previous formulation, just different (haven't we already dealt with this?). The term "first signatures" was used there before my edit. FromCzech (talk) 05:36, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining. I made the "copyedits" because I'm a "copyeditor", and that's what we do. Are you going to fight me over every little edit I make because you feel possessive over the article? You do good work, and so do I. We can pull for the same team once in a while, you know. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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