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Should this section be an article in its own right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.99.43 (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While the term "cab-forward" may have been first used in automobiles on the Pacer, it certainly wasn't the first to use the concept. There are almost certainly more vehicles that fit the mold, but the one that comes to mind is the original Mini. It had the rear wheels nearly as far back as they could go without extending out of the body, the leading door edge is very close to the front wheel wells, while the bottom of the windshield is very nearly over the front axle. It also has a considerably shorter hood. It was also designed to seat 4 (admittedly not overly tall or wide) people while being over 1m shorter, .5m narrower with a wheelbase only(compared to over all length) .5m less. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.253.35.194 (talk) 18:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Automobile (and truck) "cab-forward" or "forward control" certainly deserves its own article rather than that single not very accurate paragraph. The Pacer and the Mini don't even enter into it, since the term refers to vehicles where the driver is positioned right up front over the engine, such as forward control Landrovers, "flat face" trucks, some minivans, etc. The German Wikipedia has a pretty detailed article on this: Frontlenker. Unfortunately my German is minimal and the Babelfish translation is not too good. I might still have a go, though. Salmanazar (talk) 13:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about cab forward or forward control? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davert (talk • contribs) 15:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

There seems to be no need for some of material to be duplicated in the Cab forward (car) article because all of it is in the automobiles section within this article. — CZmarlin (talk) 04:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As long as it is delineated as a separate section, I agree. It's worth noting that Chrysler's use of the term "cab forward" is different from the older locomotive etc. use - it was not merely Forward Control (putting the cab as far forward as possible) but was also moving the wheels out toward the corners, etc. Nothing particularly new, but the label is identified with a specific group of cars. (I would like to head off efforts to drag every person's favorite old car into the fray as "this was the REAL first cab forward car," because Cab Forward was a marketing term in this context, not a specific design feature - and cars with shortened hoods and reduced overhang have been around for a long, long time.) Davert (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have done the merge, and clarified the headings a bit. Wongm (talk) 01:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Done Iain Bell (talk) 15:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to locomotive section[edit]

The "clarification needed" is right - driver's cab immediately forward of firebox doesn't make a lick of sense. Replaced it with "boiler", removing "immediately" because on coal-fired designs the smokebox is between driver and boiler.

I fear some of the visibility stuff is now duplicated, but I do think an explanation of why one builds such a thing needs to come further up the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkbeast (talk • contribs) 01:06, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Coal-burning?[edit]

As far as I know, there is no such thing as a coal-fired cab forward locomotive since there is no way to get the fuel from the tender to the firebox. This section makes little sense. Nickrz (talk) 20:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hence (as the section explains) with a conventional tender the stoker's position would remain behind the firebox even if the driver was moved forward. They would communicate with bell codes as on the GWR steam rail motors, or on a GWR Autocoach.

The very first locomotive mentioned, the Reichsbahn's 05 003, was a coal-fired cab forward locomotive. So are the Italian locomotives mentioned next, which had a water tender but a coal bunker in the cab. Hence if you think there is no such thing you are mistaken. I don't know that there were ever very many such locomotives compared to the Southern Pacific's large supply of oil-fired cab-forwards. Pinkbeast (talk) 01:22, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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