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Metric Media?[edit]

With the October 2020 article in the New York Times and also this new one (October 19) in the Wall Street Journal about Metric Media, I wonder if it is time to have an article on MM instead of just Brian Timpone. Novellasyes (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't read the WSJ article, but the NYT article is about "the network"/"Brian Timpone's network"/"Timpone network" (as they refer to it.) Metric Media just happens to be the most forward facing element of the network at the moment - in 2012, the same could be said about Journatic. Mcrsftdog (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That hadn't occurred to me. Makes sense. Novellasyes (talk) 18:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Metro Business Network[edit]

Websites published by Metric Media include titles in the "Metro Business Network":^[1]

Alabama Business Daily (albusinessdaily.com)
Alaska Business Daily (akbusinessdaily.com)
Arizona Business Daily (azbusinessdaily.com)
Arkansas Business Daily (arbusinessdaily.com)
California Business Daily (cabusinessdaily.com)
Colorado Business Daily (cobusinessdaily.com)
Connecticut Business Daily (ctbusinessdaily.com)
D.C. Business Daily (dcbusinessdaily.com)
Delaware Business Daily (debusinessdaily.com)
Florida Business Daily (flbusinessdaily.com)
Georgia Business Daily (gabusinessdaily.com)
Hawaii Business Daily (hibusinessdaily.com)
Idaho Business Daily (idbusinessdaily.com)
Illinois Business Daily (ilbusinessdaily.com)
Indiana Business Daily (indianabusinessdaily.com)
Iowa Business Daily (iabusinessdaily.com)
Kansas Business Daily (ksbusinessdaily.com)
Kentucky Business Daily (kybusinessdaily.com)
Keystone Business News, Pennsylvania (keystonebusinessnews.com)
Louisiana Business Daily (labusinessdaily.com)
Maryland Business Daily (mdbusinessdaily.com)
Massachusetts Business Daily (mabusinessdaily.com)
Michigan Business Daily (mibusinessdaily.com)
Minnesota Business Daily (mnbusinessdaily.com)
Mississippi Business Daily (msbusinessdaily.com)
Missouri Business Daily (mobusinessdaily.com)
Montana Business Daily (mtbusinessdaily.com)
Nebraska Business Daily (nebraskabusinessdaily.com)
Nevada Business Daily (nvbusinessdaily.com)
New Hampshire Business Daily (nhbusinessdaily.com)
New Jersey Business Daily (njbusinessdaily.com)
New Mexico Business Daily (nmbusinessdaily.com)
New York Business Daily (nybusinessdaily.com)
North Carolina Business Daily (ncbusinessdaily.com)
North Dakota Business Daily (ndbusinessdaily.com)
Ohio Business Daily (ohbusinessdaily.com)
Oklahoma Business Daily (okbusinessdaily.com)
Oregon Business Daily (orbusinessdaily.com)
Palmetto Business News, South Carolina (palmettobusinessdaily.com)
Rhode Island Business Daily (ribusinessdaily.com)
South Dakota Business Daily (sdbusinessdaily.com)
Tennessee Business Daily (tnbusinessdaily.com)
Texas Business Daily (txbusinessdaily.com)
Utah Business Daily (utbusinessdaily.com)
Vermont Business Daily (vtbusinessdaily.com)
Virginia Business Daily (vabusinessdaily.com)
Washington Business Daily (wabusinessdaily.com)
Wisconsin Business Daily (wibusinessdaily.com)
Wyoming Business Daily (wybusinessdaily.com)

References

^ "Alabama Business Daily", Albusinessdaily.com, retrieved October 20, 2020

M2545, one of the New York Times reporters who broke the story a few days back has now made this spreadsheet available that lists many hundreds of the websites. Novellasyes (talk) 18:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Opening paragraph[edit]

This passage:

The articles on Timpone's websites are written by non-American freelancers who use "Anglo-sounding" pen names,[4][5]

The citation #4 does not state that. It is written in a sentence as a PREMISE, which is assuming that it is true. Given that it is printed as in an opinion personal blog, I don't see how that would carry the kind of weight required to make a bold negative reputation-impugning statement in the opening of an article in our modern-day encyclopedia. Besides, even if it was a fact in 2012 (nine years ago), which source said it is still being done today?--Lourde Mage (talk) 16:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the sentence to be based on Timpone's statements in This American Life, retaining the mention of the year "2012". — Newslinger talk 17:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breaking up the news publishing section[edit]

I'd like to break up the "news publishing" section into subsections for the various projects (locality labs, journatic, metric media) etc. because it is getting kind of jumbled and because metric media really seems to be the big play these days. There's a new article out in the Wash Post saying this about it. "The most extreme examples include outfits such as Metric Media — a national network of 1,300 sites that have the look and feel of local news outfits. They cover city councils and schools under innocuous-sounding banners such as “Illinois Valley Times” and the “Lansing Sun.” But a New York Times investigation last year reported that their stories were essentially propaganda, partially funded and directed by PR firms and conservative political groups in support of Republican candidates. (A company executive later called the report “patently absurd.”)" ^[1] Novellasyes (talk) 13:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think a separate sections for "Journatic" would probably make sense now, but the other businesses do not seem to have enough content for their own subheadings yet (see WP:OVERSECTION). If you add more information about the other businesses to the article, then more subheadings would make sense. Based on the Washington Post article you linked to, it looks like there is a lot of useful information that could go into the article. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 16:29, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Izadi, Elahe (June 4, 2021). "The new journalism — and the PR firms behind it". Washington Post. Retrieved June 5, 2021.

Changing order of topics[edit]

I'd like to change the order in which the subsections appear under "News publishing" so that Metric Media comes first; separate out Locality Lab into its own section, and then have the other sections. Also, remove "news" from "News publishing" and just have it say "Publications". Whether the material IS news is something that has been contested. Novellasyes (talk) 21:50, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Alabama Business Daily", Albusinessdaily.com, retrieved October 20, 2020

[2] Izadi, Elahe (June 4, 2021). "The new journalism — and the PR firms behind it". Washington Post. Retrieved June 5, 2021.

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