Talk:Brassed Off

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Black comedy?[edit]

It's a comedy/drama, but a black comedy? 58.104.33.222 (talk) 02:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A comedy which features mass-unemployment, debt, poverty and an attempted suicide, may, I believe, safely earn the epithet 'black'.Bkpip (talk) 09:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why so rude? 90.249.49.81 (talk) 17:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism, now removed Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Accent[edit]

People get hung up on the accents too much where Brassed Off is concerned. I can honestly say that I didn't find them to be that bad, and they certainly did nothing to distract from what is a simply wonderful movie. Pete Postlethwaite's accent, although a Warrington man himself, was immaculate. Ewan McGregor and Tara FitzGerald were always going to have problems, but they tried their best, bless 'em. (I mean, who CAN do the abbreviating glottal stop outside Yorks/Lancs). Actually, I thought Tompkinson was the one who struggled. He attempted a very difficult form of Yorkshire accent and, although his overall performance was fantastic, this forced his execution of it to come across as laboured and unnatural sometimes.Bkpip (talk) 09:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Must say that I don't agree with you at all on that. Perhaps, Harry could have passed off as Doncaster. Tompkinson's kids were fine, but I presume that they were roped in from a local school. McGregor was useless. All of the vowels were rounded, bad glottal stops, pronounced words such as "nowt" and "summat" in more Midlands fashion. I honestly think that it was quite poor. I don't think that it was West Yorks neither except maybe somewhere like Ilkley. Grimethorpe is right on the border with West/South. There isn't exactly a huge difference between Hemsworth and Barnsley anyway. 81.152.12.70 15:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many people around Sheffield round their vowels, and where I live, in the heart of West Yorkshire, everyone pronounces their 'nowts' in exactly the same way as the actors in the movie. It does no good to presume a strong knowledge of Yorkshire accent, just because one lives in and/or comes from the county. Its accents and dialects are so diverse as to require long years of careful study before one can definitively state that this is or isn't authentic broad Yorkshire.Bkpip (talk) 09:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know that many of the actors are from far away, but actors are supposed to be able to change for these things. If you watch Rita, Sue and Bob Too (set in Bradford), listen to how George Costigan (who played Bob) spoke! It's almost perfect Bradford from that era, yet he was from somewhere on the south coast. When you consider that a low-budget 1980s film like that did not have linguistics experts to help him, I think that it was quite an incredible effort that he got it so spot on. Rita and Sue weren't quite as good unfortunately. Epa101 16:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We just have to face the facts that unless actors are cast exclusively from the locale, attempts at Yorkshire accents will always be flawed. It is, after all, a very difficult accent to imitate well, and a very easy accent to imitate badly. As for RS&BT, Costigan was fantastic...but having the two leading females sporting Lancashire accents in a Yorkshire movie! That surely has to be a greater crime than an actor and actress from foreign parts at least ATTEMPTING to get the accent right, even if they did essentially fail.Bkpip (talk) 09:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Analytical Deconstruction[edit]

This section looks like original research to me, and is certainly not NPOV. Unless 62.6.139.10 or anyone else would like to rework this section, I'm deleting it tomorrow. --CComMack 09:49, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure which bits of the article that you are referring to, as most of it seems to me to be in order. This part below does seem to come under "original research" and I shall delete it.

Whilst some may think that the film would be exaggerated for political purposes, the directors were actually more concerned that the film might tarnish the image of Grimethorpe, hence the name change to "Grimley". To this end, the extent of the poverty in that area is not reflected in the film. Whilst the fictional "Grimley colliery" saw 1000 men lose their jobs, the real "Grimethorpe colliery" saw 6000 men lose their jobs.

As for not being NPOV, where exactly? It always says that miners generally resented Thatcher's policies, rather than saying that they were evil or anything like that. I think that you'll find that most people in coalfield communities were generally very anti-Thatcher. How many votes do the Tories get in Grimethorpe, even today?

What's so special about \62.6.139.10 ?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.56.30.54 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 4 October 2005.

The offending section was removed long ago: check the edit history. 62.6.139.10 (talk • contribs) was the author. --CComMack 19:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"famous Australian music teacher, Michael Faragher"[edit]

"Brassed Off is now used as a learning medium by famous Australian music teacher, Michael Faragher." -- Mr Faragher is apparently not all that famous according to Google. If you wish to re-add him to the article, please justify doing so here. -- 201.50.248.179 21:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can discern from doing a little research, Mr Faragher is a very dedicated music teacher and an obviously worthy member of his community, but I'm not sure that should justify him getting a mention on Wikipedia. Best left off I think. Bkpip 10:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Original research[edit]

This paragraph is original research:

The miners in the film put up little resistance to the coal board's harsh redundancy policy. This can be understood in the context of the UK miners' strike, which effectively destroyed trade union power in British coal mining industry. The film depicts the spirit of hopelessness 10 years after the strike, and the miners' attempts to find redemption. An ongoing piece of symbolism in the first half of the film is the lack of conversation between one miner and his wife, until she finally criticises him harshly for not making a show of resistance against the closure, when he had been so full of fight in 1984.

I'll move it here so that people can attempt to find sources for it. But it shouldn't be restored without some kind of citation for this bit of interpretation. Themes, symbolism, and such need to be cited to reliable sources, as described in MOS:FILM#Themes. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"scab"[edit]

"In a Yorkshire mining community, being called a "scab" is an extremely serious insult."

This is very original research, but from my experience being called a scab in any WV mining community would be a great insult. West Virginia has a great history of fighting and not being "friendly" to scabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_coal_wars are one example — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.15.177 (talk) 02:04, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Reception[edit]

Articles about movies usually have a section about how the movie was received. I think that would be appropriate here. SlowJog (talk) 03:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@SlowJog: The article is currently available to all to edit. If you have content to add, feel free to do so. Here is the Rotten Tomatoes review and the Metacritic review. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]