Talk:Bob Fitzsimmons

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Forgotten Champion[edit]

This guy was a world champion, pretty good too!, yet is almost forgotten a hundred years later: "Fitzsimmons is forgotten mostly these days; but he was pretty good in his days".

First boxer to attempt to regain his crown[edit]

"In 1902, he and Jeffries had a rematch, once again with the world Heavyweight crown at stake: Fitzsimmons was attempting to become the first boxer ever to regain the world's Heavyweight crown". Surely this accolade goes to James J Corbett, who lost to Fitz in 1897 and attempted to regain the title from James J Jeffries in 1900, a full two years before Fitzsimmons attempted it? Orbtastic (talk) 14:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)and Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 03:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First boxing match captured on film[edit]

"Soon after, he went back to the Heavyweights, where he kept fighting until 1914, with mixed results. He boxed Jack Johnson, and film historians believe that his fight with Bob 'KO' Sweeney became the first boxing-fight captured on film."

Seems to contradict:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbett_and_Courtney_Before_the_Kinetograph

"Corbett and Courtney Before the Kinetograph (also known as Edison Kinetoscopic Record of Boxers and The Corbett-Courtney Fight) is an 1894 American short black-and-white silent film produced by William K.L. Dickson and starring James J. Corbett. It was only the second boxing match to be filmed following The Leonard-Cushing fight which had been filmed by Dickson on June 14 1894."

That's what, 20 years before?!?

Orbtastic (talk) 15:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, "Fight Pictures: A History of Boxing and Early Cinema" by Dan Streible (University of California Press, 2008) establishes Leonard-Cushing Fight (1894) as the first non-experimental boxing subject to be publicly exhibited. Moreover, there was a Veriscope film of Fitzsimmons' championship bout with Corbett that was the first feature film of any kind and the most financially successful motion picture of the 1890s. Certainly that would be worth mentioning? Pinikadia (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)Pinikadia[reply]

A minor point: Fitzsimmons 1914 bout was against Dan K.O. Sweeney, not Bob K.O. Sweeney Buckyboot (talk) 05:56, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Siblings.[edit]

I know of 12 children in the Fitzsimmons family, how do we get to 18? There were James, John, Mary, Jane, William, Arthur, Jarrett, Margaret, Bessy, Henry, Catherine and Robert(Bob). Brakn (talk) 12:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fitzsimmons spent the rest of 1897 doing paper runs.[edit]

Huh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.59.166 (talk) 03:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Location of Peter Mayer fight[edit]

On the advice of a professor of Texas history (also an El Paso native) who furnished the Sonnichsen citation, I corrected the fight location to Langtry. The fight was to have been in El Paso, but authorities wouldn't let it take place there. Likewise, Mexican authorities wouldn't let it be held in Ciudad Juarez. So it became the famous bout on the Mexican side opposite Langtry. Additional reference in The Handbook of Texas: http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/LL/hll17.html

Cornish English[edit]

why the "Cornish English" reference? I can't find any reason for this edit. If there are no objection, I'll get rid of this "unusual" tag. 131.111.23.117 (talk) 11:10, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I already removed it about 7 minutes before you posted this :-) An editor who appears to be adding in unsourced partial ethnic backgrounds added it in very recently. I've been trying to rectify the articles affected with these non-nationalities and unsourced, partial ethnic backgrounds. Mabuska (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

image in British Library[edit]

1903 in-ring image, [:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Fitzsimmons_and_Jefferies_%28HS85-10-13751%29.jpg here, without border] and here, as scannedSkookum1 (talk) 09:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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What did he weigh?[edit]

The article mentions he's the lightest man to ever win the heavyweight title, and constantly mentions how much bigger his opponents were. But I can't find a single mention of his actual fighting weight.

Considering his reputed power for a man his size, that seems to be a fairly pertinent item missing from the article. Sajiky (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Fitzsimmons (FITZSIMONS)[edit]

I completed some basic genealogy quite some years ago. And I think that it is certain that the boxer was born FITZSIMONS. This is important as, generally, this spelling was used to differentiate those families who remained,strictly, Roman Catholic as opposed to those families who embraced Anglicanism after migration to mainland United Kingdom from Northern Ireland. The bulk of families of this name-spelling were to be found in Whitehaven and Liverpool. Which is true to this day.

Margaret Fitzsimons: Diploma Lical History (University of Liverpool). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.200.233 (talk) 09:54, 3 December 2020 (UTC) \\[reply]

  • Fitzsimmons' grave in Graceland Cemetary, Chicago is only a few steps from t he much large grave of another heavyweight champion, Jack Johnson.

I once wrote an article for RING MAGAZINE on this coincidence.

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