Talk:Battle of Yamen

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How much of this story is verified and how much is apocryphal? Tlogmer 06:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, these are all according to historical sources, so how much you believe is up to you. Personally I am skeptical about the numbers on each side. deadkid_dk 04:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked alot of English sources and there are certainly some inconsistencies, but not far off. It's either the emperor jumped into the sea with the bodyguard as an act of defiance or the emperor's ship along with every one else's sank by the opposing side. Afterwards, the boy's body is found floating somewhere. At least the general consensus is that the emperor ended up in water, with the body washed up after all the chaos. Benjwong 05:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something wrong[edit]

That the Mongols were experts at warfare and exterminating their enemies is not in doubt. That they did it being outnumbered 20 TO 1 in ships and 10 to 1 in manpower IS IMPOSSIBLE. Seriously, what the hell? Can we have some sources verifying the worst defeats in the world? Tourskin (talk) 03:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Li Heng, who previously had captured Guangzhou, reinforced Zhang Hongfan."

Li Heng refers to an emperor in 800AD, so this cannot be a good reference —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.171.72.110 (talk) 11:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, never assume the uniqueness of a Chinese syllable. "Li" is as common a surname as can be found, so you're down to a first name "Heng". Bet you an Easter egg there's more than one. Wnt (talk) 16:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article, the Song had 1000 ships, when 7 were sank, they realized the battle was lost... it's obvious there were no 1000 ships there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.90.213.157 (talk) 12:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the 1000 ships aren't all warships, and many of the people on board were not soldiers, so the odds weren't as stacked as just the raw figures suggest. --86.179.186.239 (talk) 00:34, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously there was no 1000 ships there, or you can go and find the wreckage of the ships today.

Chinese numbers are always vastly exaggerated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.173.36 (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be ridiculous. How many years has it been? Do you think wood doesn't rot? This battle happened at the mouth of a river. Do you think flowing water doesn't wash things out to sea? 24.53.243.101 (talk) 04:46, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Archaeology?[edit]

Has anyone raised any of these ships? With an Emperor and his court roaming the seas like Battlestar Galactica, I'd think archaeologists would have found some of the finest ~~loot~~ evidence ever to drop to the bottom of the sea. But a quick search didn't turn up anything. Wnt (talk) 18:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This whole story is BOGUS.

Not even the dumbest admiral would "chain all his ships together" when his forces out number the enemies by 10 to 1!!!

The only thing that can be believed is, the Sung dynasty was extinguished by the mongols. who can say if this battle ever happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.35.34 (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is credible about this story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.31.106.158 (talk) 19:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Pu Shougeng[edit]

Unsourced parts of the background section say that the Song asked Pu to lend them his fleet and that he refused, but the article on Pu Shougeng says something different (and apparently has a citation to back it up). It basically says that Pu offered to lend his ships to the Song, but that the Song suspected him of being a double agent for the Yuan and declined his offer. I don’t want to delete anything though, so does anyone have sources for the claim that the Song asked Pu to lend them his fleet and that an enraged Pu killed members of the imperial family? Marcustcii (talk) 07:41, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]