Talk:Battle of Khotyn (1621)

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This was not one of the first Christian victories over the Turks in a ground battle[edit]

This was not even close to one of the first significant Christian victories over the Turks in a ground battle. Hunyadi's victory over Mehmed the Conquerer at the Siege of Belgrade in 1456 was far more significant, as it decided the fate of pre-Isabella Europe. The Austrian victory at the first Siege of Vienna in 1529 was also more significant.

That is not to say that the Polish-Lithuanian victory at Khotyn was not significant. Along with the related Cossack raids and the fact that constant war on the Hungarian frontier had bled the Ottoman Empire for three quarters of a century, that is from their victory at Mohacs and subsequent defeat at Vienna until the turn of the 16th and 17th Centuries, their defeat at Khotyn is what prevented them from being a direct threat to the West during the Thity Years' War despite their indirect involvement as anti-Hapsburg partisans.

But it was far from the first and most significant land battle they lost to a Christian army. Since the "reference" only directs to a (correct, in this case) claim about the Battle of Lepanto and not to any actual outside source, I am deleting this unsubstantiated and incorrect claim.Shield2 03:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it were a victory for one side, it was a very peculiar one!! It can best be defined as a stalemate. Nevertheless both sides claimed (and evidently some still claim) that it was a victory to their side. I am deleting such claims in the last section, leaving the part on Polish cultural effects and putting in a part on Ottoman cultural effects.Noyder (talk) 06:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008[edit]

Ensured that the article is within project scope, tagged for task forces, and assessed for class. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Result of the battle[edit]

The reference given at the footnote (Shaw), other historical sources and the text of the first paragraph state very clearly that the Result of this battle was a Stalemate. However, in the infobox Result is stated as Polish Victory. I have changed the infobox misinformation.Noyder (talk) 04:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How is this a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth victory? When article itself says and I quote: On 9 October, due to the lateness of the season and having sustained heavy losses in several assaults on fortified Commonwealth lines, the Ottomans abandoned their siege and the battle ended in stalemate, reflected in a treaty that in some sections favored the Ottomans and in others favored the Commonwealth. Liesbeth98 (talk) 06:57, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you basing the result of a battle on an unsourced sentence? There are 8 paragraphs detailing the battle section and only 1 source. The Aftermath section has no sources and a link to Turnbull's book that lists battles fought by the Ottoman Empire. No result is given for the Battle of Chocim. So exactly what sources do you have?
  • Serhii Plokhy, The Cossacks and Religion in Early Modern Ukraine, (Oxford University Press, 2001), 93;"The defeat at Tutora(1620) was now a thing of the past, and the victorious Battle of Khotyn(1621) gave the Commonwealth greater confidence in its confrontation with the Ottoman Empire."
  • Piotr Stolarski, Friars on the Frontier: Catholic Renewal and the Dominican Order in Southeastern Poland 1594-1648, (Ashgate Publishing, 2010), 116;"Accompanying Prince Wladyslaw during the campaign against Muscovy 1617-18, Birkowski also witnessed the battle of Chocim(just inside Turkish Moldavia) in 1621, where Sultan Osman and his army were defeated in a defensive battle. This victory was crucially important and had been preceded by widespread public devotions....".
  • Jerzy Jan Lerski, Historical Dictionary of Poland, 966-1945, (Greenwood Publishing, 1996), 262;"In 1621, he command 40,000 Cossacks in the battle of Chocim(Khotyn) and contributed greatly to the Polish victory over the Turks.". --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Age of Wars of Religion, 1000-1650: An Encyclopedia of Global Warfare and Civilization, Vol.2, ed. Cathal J. Nolan, (Greenwood Press, 2006), 884;"Sultan Othman(Osman) II invaded Ukraine in 1621 to reclaim rebellious Moldavia and punish Cossack raiders. He was beaten decisively by a Polish-Cossack army at Khotyn (1621)."--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

B-class review failed[edit]

For WP:POLAND. Agree with milhist review, citations are insufficient. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 19:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Result[edit]

This battle was never a defeat for the Ottomans. A treaty was requested and this treaty was in favor of the Ottomans. The only success of the Poles was to stop the Ottomans. However, the fortress of Khotyn was given to the Ottomans. Both sides declared Victory. The battle is unfinished and inconclusive. The reason for this was the janissaries who disobeyed Osman II and started looting while they where going to be victorious. 78.180.5.146 (talk) 04:54, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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