Talk:Banat Republic

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A better map, showing location compared to modern states, would be great. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 14:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Done! :-) bogdan 14:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Stamps

Were any stamps issued by the Banat Republic? Alexander 007 04:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

(Warning: Lame joke follows:) If they did issue stamps, I bet they used to call them "cimbre". :-) bogdan 19:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Edit war

Hey guys, stop editwarring please. I try to find a compromised version. Maybe it will be acceptable for both of you. --Koppany 17:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Flag

Hi, I've made a flag (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Banat_Republic.png), only in PNG format, could anyone make a vector version and add it to this article? that'd be great... thanks 8D

Froggy1294 05:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Froggy, if this flag is based on an alternate history article, and NOT the real flag of the Banat Republic, it should not be reproduced here (see Wikipedia's policy regarding original research). Mentatus (talk) 10:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree. We cannot use info from alternate history sites here. Such sites are examples of user-created science fiction, while we trying to have serious encyclopedia with accurate facts. That flag have no place here. PANONIAN 17:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Red flag

I have removed the red flag. There is no source for it. --MateoKatanaCRO (talk) 14:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Before someone comes up with the argument: "The MSZDP local chapter organized the effort to create both the People's Council and subsequent Republican government, beginning with the large rally that had previously been announced in Timișoara's Liberty Square. The participants flew socialist red flags.", I just wanted to add that this is maybe true, but there is no word about an official state flag. --MateoKatanaCRO (talk) 14:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

There is no reason to assume that it wasn't true, particularly under WP:TRUTH: the fact is clearly specified in the quoted source. We also do generally use informal flags in infoboxes where no formal flag existed or no one bothered to introduce one (as here or here); in this case, red flags carried at the proclamation of the republic are quite clearly a symbol associated with the republic. Dahn (talk) 14:00, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Proposed flag of Banat.svg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 01:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

File was kept at Commons — billinghurst sDrewth 14:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive removal of flag

PetrusdictusA is edit warring to remove the flag File:Proposed flag of Banat.svg from the section "Later echoes". The flag is sourced in the File page at Commons. Furthermore, the flag and its use is discussed in the text of this article, supported by another source (currently note 162), in which there even is a picture of the flag in use at a politcal rally in 2014. The removal of the flag from the article and the rather clueless attempt to have the flag removed even from Commons seems to based entirely on WP:JDLI. The flag has now been reinserted by Super Dromaeosaurus. The flag should not be removed again unless supported by a consensus in this talk page. --T*U (talk) 13:38, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. I don't know what's going on with this part of the article but it has been very turbulent lately. Super Ψ Dro 13:40, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I get it, now both flags are equally sourced. Let's not remove any of them ok? Thank you.--PetrusdictusA (talk) 11:11, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

@PetrusdictusA: Can you please explain where in your "source" it is shown that this flag is accepted by or used by any organisation or even anyone except Mr Stepanescu-Vlaicu. Can you please also give some kind of foundation for the qualifications of Mr Stepanescu-Vlaicu, who seems to be conspiciously hard to find out anything about in a Google search. Also, could you give a source for claims like became more and more popular and usually displayed by the conservative branch of this movement. In short, this looks like just so much WP:OR. --T*U (talk) 11:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

@PetrusdictusA: Please have a look here to understand what reliable sources mean. Mentatus (talk) 16:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

In the article it clearly shows it has won the 2018 survey held by both flags on facebook. The other flag is not being used either by anyone else except the Banat League, a private group of people. And as the article says Mr Stepanescu-Vlaicu is a heraldrist whilst members of the Banat League are not. So I'm sorry, but either both or none. And if Ziua de Vest, a prestigious newspaper publishes it, it means that people use it, as also the main page promoting it, BANAT, had more than 7000 followers last time I've checked.You are doing a lot of harm to our culture continuously denying our sourced historical flag, but allowing the far-right style version. This is a very sensible issue for us.The sources for both flags are of the same level: newspaper articles. Both sources are prestigious newspaper articles. Nothing more, nor less. If you call that unreliable, then both need to go. If not, then both need to stay. --PetrusdictusA (talk) 17:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

@PetrusdictusA: User Mentatus gave you good advice earlier today about learning what "reliable sources" means in Wikipedia. I see that there are quite a few more things about Wikipedia you will need to learn, but let us start with sources. There is a significant difference between the two newspaper pieces that mention the two flags. The article here regarding the green and white flag is an example of news reporting, written by someone connected to the newspaper (journalist or similar), presumably approved by the editor or someone else with that auhority to be in the voice of the newspaper. It even has a photo showing the flag used in a political rally in November 2014. The newspaper piece here about your preferred flag is not news reporting, but an opinion piece, written by someone not connected to the newspaper, a person with av specific interest of "presenting their case", since the writer Mr Stepanescu-Vlaicu is also the person behind the suggested flag design. According to WP:RS, content from a well-established news organisastion (like a newspaper) is generally considered reliable for stating a fact if it is news reporting, not if is just an opinion piece. You can read more about this at WP:NEWSORG. Adding to this, the piece by Mr Stepanescu-Vlaicu does not really state that this is a flag in use, it is more a pamflet for promoting the flag. It does not really matter if Mr Stepanescu-Vlaicu is a heraldist or not, since our interest does not really lie in who made the design, but more in whether the flag really exists in actual use, but I notice that his qualifications are only attested by his own words, and that it is extremely difficult to find anything useful about him in a google search.

Regarding other things you really should learn about Wikipedia, I will suggest that you read WP:CONSENSUS and WP:EDITWAR about how to deal with differences of opinion (and how not). I will also ask you to study WP:OR and WP:SYNTH about original research and synthesis.

I see that you now are indefinitely blocked at Commons. Your "solution" to that seems to be to create a new account and combine it with logged-out IP-editing here at English Wiki. That is a really, really bad idea. Please read WP:SOCK about such misuse of accounts. --T*U (talk) 23:58, 15 March 2021 (UTC)