Talk:Balsareny

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2017 attack[edit]

Everytime when I or other try to equilibrate comments from Somrisas, with information from other sources, he undoes them, and only accepts his very own views.--Flamenc (talk) 20:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See edit summary. Victim blaming, serious allegations on victim/s based on non-credible propaganda source. You have to be careful with slanderous allegations against individual members of the public on wikipedia, particularly in the case of an aggression.Sonrisas1 (talk) 08:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Both diaries El Periódico and Ara are serious newpapers, though they have a different editorial line. To balance information, you better cite more sources. I wouldn't call them "non-credible propaganda source". No victims have been blamed.--Flamenc (talk) 08:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The piece on Ara shows a capture from activist twitter account "CNI Catalunya" which shows an alleged snapshot of the victim taken from her facebook in a demonstration with a Spanish flag and promptly calls her a fascist. Hardly serious journalism, retweeting crap from twitter. Knowing this trash journalism, I doubt its true. In any case, the political views of the victim are most certainly not relevant to the incident. Don't forget the close to 1000 victims of ETA were all branded as "fascists" by certain sympathetic media in the Basque country. Wikipedia is certainly not going to engage in this exercise of stigmatizing victims. Sonrisas1 (talk) 09:14, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted the whole section as recentism. Wikipedia does not report on an isolated incident of firebombing causing "minor damage and one case of minor intoxication due to smoke." Scolaire (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Recentism does not apply. The concept of recentism refers to excessive focus on recent events as opposed to ones in the past. If you can think of any other time in history when Balsareny was as much focus on national media and Spain and Catalonia's political elite, you are welcome to include it in the article, so long as it is well source (no need for source to be in English btw). That is not an excused to delete the most notable incident of the village in the past 100 years in terms of media coverage.Sonrisas1 (talk) 06:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, the concept of recentism refers to excessive focus on recent events, full stop. Not "as opposed to" anything. To quote the policy, "It is writing without an aim toward a long-term, historical view." The ten-year test says, "Will someone ten years from now be confused about how this article is written? In ten years will this addition still appear relevant?" This "attack" won't appear relevant to the vast majority of Wikipedia readers today, never mind in ten years time. It is only relevant to those who have an emotional investment in the current political situation in Catalonia. Wikipedia is not news. Articles are not supposed to be about "times in history when the topic was the focus of national media and the political elite". If you genuinely want to improve the article, you could write about the castle, the church, and the Festa dels Traginers. There are brief articles on Balsareny here and here, and a properly written encyclopaedia article here. Note that none of them have sections on "notable firebombings causing minor damage in history".

TL;DR: using a geography article to push your version of current political events is disruptive. Please don't. Scolaire (talk) 10:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough.Sonrisas1 (talk) 11:21, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]