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The article is a total mess. I do not undertsand why should one write something on military of which he or she has no clue and about a country on which has no idea.

Most of errors concern the names, functions and subordination of the branches of the 'military' (such as non-existent national guard, interior guard etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.129.1.52 (talk) 21:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Edit's

If anyone has more information the military equipment of azerbaijan, please post it. This article is lacking info and it could really use photos--Moosh88 20:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Many childerens are playing with the unit counts of the azeri tanks, apc's, jets and artillery. It is NEVER been confirmed that Azeri armored units has T-80 mbt's or more than 300 T-72 tanks. I post the facts on my own site http://www.turkishworld.multiservers.com/azerbaijan.html Here you can not see that Azerbaycan has more than 286 T-72 tanks and 224 T-55 tanks. Possibly they have bought more but this is a well kept secret. If someone known how many tanks Azerbaycan has, then the opponenent, in this case Armenia, will take actions in Azeri disadvantage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.56.223.29 (talk) 21:26, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

POV article

  • This is a very POV article and I'm going to make changes to it. Especally the part about the azeri military being stronger than the combined armies of Armenia and Georgia, even the links you gave a very baised toward azerbaijan.--Moosh88 21:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Why are you making changes here without a debate while you are asking for a discussion before any edit on Armed Forces of Armenia page?--Kagan the Barbarian 09:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
And then he deletes my comments in the talk page and says I am anti-Armenian, I dont understand that either.

I changed those POV words such as "occupation", "liberation" into "capture". Also, changed the inflated 20% to the 13-14% used in the Nagorno-Karabakh War article per De Waal source there. - Fedayee (talk) 03:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Edits

What is a POV article man? The links I gave are international links, are you saying that the CIA, UN, Department of State are now biased? I made some edits to your article because those arent confirmed yet, for example when you said that Azerbaijan will atempt to liberate Karabakh. That has not yet been confirmed, it is a option, but not confirmed.

The reason why I stated that Azerbaijan army is stronger then Georgia and Armenia combined is because in the military of Armenia page it has the same saying. Then you must also edit that.

POV stands for Point of View (your personnel opinion), and by Wikipedia guidelines all editors are to take a non point of view stance when editing all articles. Just because you used some info from the UN or CIA doesn't mean you can't word the info to be POV, it's not very hard to do that. In the UN website you gave me the link to, it only gives the imported tanks and large artillery systems that azerbaijan bought from ukraine (under the 2004 section). If you used info from previous years, it may be outdated and incorrect.

How many times has the leader of your country said that if the OSCE negotiations fail, azerbaijan will attempt to conquer Karabagh with military force? He may be blowing smoke, but he could also be serious. So by him saying that, he is confirming that the use of force is an option.

I've read in a number of articles that the Armenian military is stronger than both the georgian and the azeri, it is not biased, and unlike you I didn't put that it was stronger than the two combined, which would be incorrect. Also, until either the georgian or azeri military proves themselves in a war (by winning) then they can't come out and say for 100 percent that they have the most powerful military.

My goal is not to get into a fight with you, I really hope we can avoid that and contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia.--Moosh88 19:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree with you about who is stronger, Im just following the fact that Azerbaijan has more military stuff. I think a good solition would be to just remove the line were is says that Armenia is stronger then Azerbaijan in your own article.

Also I do not like the statement of the missiles, you write that those missiles can reach Baku and Ankara. This comes pretty offensive, maybe you should just write the distance it can travel instead targets.

President Aliyev told (too often) that they will liberate Karabach with or without violence. Armenia has no Rockets or missiles that can even reach Baku so forget about hitting Ankara. They have 36 SCUD-B rockets and they can not reach Baku, even they can not hit the Baku-Ceyhan pipeline deu to the inaccurate aim of the old SCUD's. So, it is used worthless. Azeri and Armenia has maybe the same count of AFV's, maybe Azeri artillery is more but at least equal. At present, Azerbaycan is producing it's own small arms, they bought Israeli UAV's, MLRS like the Lynx series, ASELSAN's encrypted radio's, Thermal night sights and other high tech systems. All Azeri T-72's has been modernized by Ukraine, all has laser range finder and passive night sights and Kontakt ERA.

Georgian army does not have a good trained army like the Azeri's and can not defend itself because the lack of funds. They are the same as Armenian army who suffers from maintenance and high tech systems due to high prices they can not afford.

hehee, Georgian army is best trained and equipped Army in the region. 80% of Georgian army is trained by us marines course. and almost 90% of General stuff is trained in USA. that is only thing in wich Georgia is strong. quality of soldier, training, preparing is Georgias strong side. yes Georgia has not enough funds but has twise bigger budget and all of Georgian army is professional contract army, not conscripts. Georgia spends almost 400 million on training and caring on 37,000 contract soldiers. and spends 400 million on armament. Georgia lost 5 soldiers in 2011 in an accident Georgia has limit at 37,000 because there is almost 80,000 soldiers who want to be a soldier. azerbaijan lost 80 soldiers in accidents in 2011, some of them made a suicide because of didnt want to serve in army, armenia lost 34 in 2011, 10 was killed by azeris and others made a suicide because of didnt want to serve in an army. i am not an asshole, but it is incorect not to price what Georgia reached with a help of americans.

What's a POV? Point of View? Last time I read that was on a porn site :-)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.56.223.29 (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I made some new edits to this page, making it more neutral and less challenging.

Added Afghanistan and Iraq to the article:
http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/040628-factsheet.htm Baku87 01:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)Baku87

Air Force

Few 100% doubts.

  1. Azerbaijan has no MiG-29s
  2. or Su-27s
  3. Image is of Su27 not MiG29 in Russian markings
  4. WRT to №3 this is the roundel of AzAF [1]
  5. Same with the pair of su25

Accoriding to [2] in 1999 Azerbaijan Air Force had the following aircraft:

  • MiG-25PD/RB/U 8/14/6
  • MiG-21 5
  • Su-17M 4
  • Su-24 5
  • Su-25 2
  • Mi-24 15
  • Mi-8 13
  • Mi-2 7
  • L-29 18
  • L-39 12
  • An-12 1
  • An-24 1
  • II-76 3
  • Tu-134A 1

--Kuban Cossack 02:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Air force has 5 Mig-29s, at least officially by the UN dissarmament project. Ukrainian sources tell 16+1 trainer. I'm not sure about the Su-27, cause I've heard there were some new purchases of those, but I'd like to see a source about that. The info from mylima.com is outdated. It says 1999 but actually that's when they posted it, the real info is probably a couple of years older. Which means that it doesn't give an accurate info in a sense that we do not know if all those aircraft are still servisable or if there are any new purchases. UN records show that there was a purcahse of 6 Su-25s from Georgia, which looks a bit strange considering the source country, but it is an official record, so we might consider it accurate, I guess. And a large number of the aircraft are actually Albatros and Delfin training aircraft. Some of them might be modified as combat aircraft but, it is not sure whether any of those in Azerbaijan are actually modified or even if they have the capability for such a modification. Anyways, a new updated and reliable info would be most appreciated. --TimBits 03:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at these links (both in Russian). [3] [4] According to Russian Nezavisimaya gazeta, Azerbaijan has 4 Su-27. But these sources contradict each other in some details. Grandmaster 17:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The article doesn't mention the Mig-29. I will let baku87 edit the content on the Air Force section of the article.--Moosh88 20:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The article has been corrected on the given facts Baku87 15:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)Baku87

The article is missing sources on the recent "additions" listed regarding Tu-16s, Mi-24s, etc. Whoever posted originally, please provide.

Same problem with other data on weapons holdings, particularly on artillery systems. Please provide sources, especially when reported data conflicts with official statistics available via OSCE CFE, UN, etc. and reported and/or estimated by IISS, Jane's, etc.

Leadership of Ministry of Defense

I propose to outline all former Defense Ministers and Chiefs of Staff, incl. from ADR years. That means: Mehmandarov, Valekh Barshatdly (two times, once as Minister and once as Chief of Staff), Rzayev, T.Mekhdiyev, R.Gaziyev, M.Mamedov, T.Aliyev and others. --AdilBaguirov 23:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Support. Also the history of Azerbaijani army should start from 1918, and not 1991. Grandmaster 04:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
And in future we might expand it by adding a short historical summary of ethnic Azerbaijani generals and admirals in foreign militaries, as well as serving under the Russian flag until 1917. But for now we should start implementing the plan about former ministers of defense and chiefs of staff.
In the list above, I didn't specify the Chief of Staff of ADR Army: Lt.-General Mamedbek Sulkevich (1865-1920) Chief of General Staff of ADR from March 1919 until 10 Dec 1919; executed on 15 July 1920. Also, Maj-Gen. Abdulhamid bey Sharifbey oglu Gaitabashi (1889-1920, Chief of General Staff from 10 Dec 1919, executed in 1920. Also, the very first Minister of Defense of ADR was General-Gubernator Dr. Khosrov bey Pasha bey oglu Sultanov (1879-1941). But once the ministry was formalized (I think it was officially established either in the end of 1918 or in 1919), Gen. Mehmandarov was appointed as the Minister, and Gen. Shikhlinsky as his Deputy Minister. --AdilBaguirov 07:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I added a section called History of Azerbaijan Army, everybody feel free to add info, but this should not be the largest section of the article. We can create a separate entry on Azerbiajni army in 1918. Grandmaster 09:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I am making a few corrections and clarifications on Ministry of Defense leadership in 1991-1995.

Size

The article seems to be a bit longish, may be some info should be merged to Azerbaijan Army. I once tried to do that, but the article became as it is again :) --Brand спойт 18:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the article is really good and has a lot of valuable information. Most of the military articles here are not overly helpful in the information department and only have a bunch of statistics. I think we should encourage more military articles written like this.

yeah I agree its a nice article, with good and interesting facts, 5/5 for the article.

Comparison

Although it would seem obvious, I'm still not sure. Which is stronger: Armenia or Azerbaijan? I would imagine it would be the Azeris because they have more than twice the number of active troops, and more than five times the budget, but I'm still not sure.

Azerbaijan lost the first war but if we look at the situation right now, its definitly Azerbaijan who is more superior. They got a major budget for such a small country, professional training programm according to NATO standards and they got like twice the number of troops. And besides according to experts Azerbaijan is gonna get like hundreds of billions of $$$ in profit from energy. And since they are surrounded by axis of evil states like Iran & Russia and not to mention they are still at war with Armenia they will definitly keep on increasing their budget and military. So I would put my money on Azerbaijan aswell.
Im not Azerbaijani but Im pretty sure they are stronger, its actually pretty obvious Azerbaijan is more capable and combat ready then Armenia. But anyways no disrespect but the reality is that both Armenia and Azerbaijan are nothing compared to the States. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.83.1.6 (talk) 13:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
Azerbaijan is stronger, its actually pretty simple just look at the army sizes and budgets and you get the idea. Anyways my money is on Azerbaijan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.160.41.181 (talk) 16:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

No competition here guys, if it wasnt for Russia then Azerbaijan would have taken its territories from Armenia back a long time ago. But damn Russia, thats the only way they can perceive their power in the east bloc; by making other nations fight and create conflict, typical Russia.

Interior Guard

Can somebody please ad the Interior Guard in the branches list, I dont have a clue how to do this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.83.1.6 (talk) 12:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

MIG 29

According to several news sources they confirm that Azerbaijan Air Force DOES have at least 17 MIG-29's. See the two weblinks below for evidence. There are a lot of pictures of them, somebody needs to update this article: http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=23434 http://today.az/news/politics/38475.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.83.1.6 (talk) 10:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Here is another source: http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=35555 I think Azerbaijan jsut made the MIG-29 their standard aircraft, pretty decent plane like the F-16.

28 MIGs you say? Well I do know that the real number is kept secret and all but it is confirmed that Azerbaijan has bought 2 squadrons thats 48 MIGs. By the way you can upload pictures here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload

good luck

The Azeri's has bought at least 5 MiG-29's modernized version with better radar by Ukraine. Also, Ukrainian news stated that they bought 17 MiG-29's. Maybe they will buy more but the confirmed count is 5 Mig-29's and Armenian Air Force does not exist. 2 fighters and 10 su-25's barely able to fly (scrap) can not count as operational.

5 Mig-29s in wrong, during the military parade in Baku 2008 they showed more then that. Neftchi (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


Military industry

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=26398 and http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=26398 these show that Azerbaijan has or is about to establish its own military industry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.83.1.6 (talk) 08:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Azerbaijan has a lot of projects in developing arms, license production with Turkish MKEK, Roketsan, ASELSAN, etc. Very good example is the T-107 and T-122 MLRS projects that will be license produced in brother Azerbaijan. The exact numbers are unknown but it was stated it was the biggest piece in the 225 million dollar project. I read this from www.news.az and www.today.az Sonertje88

Infobox picture

I re-added the military emblem as the main infobox picture. Baku87 (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Israel

I added a new headline about cooperation between Israel and Azerbaijan. The only issue I cant solve is how to use a source multiple times (such as a,b,c) instad of just copy and pasting it. Baku87 (talk) 14:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Azerbaijani peacekeepers in Iraq

I removed Iraq from the deployed countries in the infoxbox as all countries Azerbaijan withdrew its peacekeepers in December 2008, see Multinational Force - Iraq article for more information. Neftchi (talk) 18:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Army inventory

It would be best not to add any numbers about the inventory as nobody exacly knows anything about the army, this is confirmed by a interview with Hikmet Hajizade by MILAZ, see here. Neftchi (talk) 08:33, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Foreign suppliers

Recently Russia and Belarus were removed from the infobox as major foreign suppliers to Azerbaijan, as the removal was incorrect and done without any disussion, I re-added the two countries based on eurasianet.org source; seen source here. It notes the following:

Israel makes up only a small slice -- some "5 to 10 percent" -- of the estimated $500 million - $600 million Azerbaijan spends each year on armaments. The bulk of Azerbaijan’s equipment comes from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.

Neftchi (talk) 13:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

stop pushing wrong info

It's absolute math, no matter what you provide as source won't change that. The US has not taken actions against Armenia, because Armenia has not done anything which would justify it. NKR control the buffer zone..., it is it's Army. Please don't introduce wrong info. I will be cleaning more of your wrong info's over this site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XrAi (talk • contribs) 22:09, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Major changes

  • Smerch long-range multiple rocket launchers are capable of hitting any target in the Armenian controlled Karabakh region of Azerbaijan not limited to Nagorno-Karabakh, if you are not informed on this, please do some research on it. Karabakh and NK are not the same things. Nagorno-Karabakh is political while Karabakh is regional.
  • Karabakh is not a independent country, liberated Karabakh is pro-Armenian while occupied Karabakh is pro-Azerbaijan. So the neutral term which is accepted is controlled, so Armenian controlled territories of Azerbaijan is the correct sentence.
  • Nagorno-Karabakh Republic's assumption of independent control is not correct as it is accepted by the UN on several resolutions that is Armenia that controls NK, so this should be correctly reflected in the article. See here

Neftchi (talk) 21:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

What's the point of adding the useless fact that the Smerch units can hit targets in Karabakh? It's a completely provocative and unnecessary statement. They can hit Tbilisi also, in Georgia; they can hit some areas in Iran and Armenian proper. Why is Karabakh singled out? If the range of the artillery is "x" then the user himself is smart enough to come to the conclusion that Azerbaijan can park these vehicles near the border and fire away. The UN Resolutions are political documents: to the best of our ability, according to military analysts and neutral observers, the region is controlled by the NKR authorities, although the Armenian government's position in the matters is widely invested in it.
Furthermore, the 20% garbage must be removed once and for all. It is a figured invented and propagated by Azerbaijan's government and anyone with a calculator can easily figure out that it's nonsense. From the Nagorno Karabakh War article:

Although the issue of amount of Azeri territory controlled by Armenians has often been claimed to be 20% and even as high 40%, the number is estimated, taking into account the exclave of Nakhichevan, 13.62% or 14% (The number comes down to 9% if the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is excluded)....[citation 11 of the article states] Using numbers provided by journalist Thomas de Waal for the area of each rayon as well as the area of the Nagorno-Karabakh Oblast and the total area of Azerbaijan are (in square kilometres): 1,936, Kelbajar; 1,835, Lachin; 802, Kubatly; 1,050, Jebrail; 707, Zangelan; 842, Aghdam; 462, Fizuli; 75, exclaves; totaling 7,709km² or 8.9%: de Waal. Black Garden, p. 286.

I think with your abuse of making all these reverts because they don't correspond to your POV makes it high time that you be placed under AA/2 sanctions.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I reverted because the changes were done without any talk, you are in fact the one who abused the rules. You should have started a talkpage on this matter first. The Armenian military page also makes comparisons with Georgia and Azerbaijan and since Azerbaijan and Armenia are technically at war it is relevant to mention the target-radius of the rockets.
According to the CIA (see here) - 16% of Azerbaijan is occupied not 9% as you underestimate it. Neftchi (talk) 18:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Please get a calculator and do the math - it doesn't matter what the CIA says. The CIA figure was brought up on the Nagorno-Karabakh War talk page and an administrator noted that if their figure can be demonstrated to be disproven - as I have shown above - then we can discount it as a source. And you're again making poor analogies. While the military capabilities of the country's armed forces can be stated, it's rather useless to tell the reader that an artillery unit can anywhere in a region that Azerbaijan does not currently possess. It's like saying on the NKDA page that the GRAD rocket system has "x" range and can hit any target within that distance of Azerbaijan. You've abused your privileges and reverted-wared long enough; it's amazing that you've been able to get away with such ill-faithed edits for all this time. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I removed the target-radius from the text and added only the km radius. I also changed the percentage to 14% (including NK) Neftchi (talk) 11:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Can you please remove the POV-charged word "occupation" as well and replace it with the far more neutral "controlled"? --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Oke, its been done aswell. Neftchi (talk) 01:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

active personnel

12,000 internal troops and 5,000 border troops are not military branches? internal and border troops have a role in internal affairs and within territorial integrity of azerbaijan - in nagorny karabakh war both internal and border troops will play a role. in infobox is shows not total number because it ignores internal and border troops. this must be corrected - there is big difference between 112,000 and 95,000 [5], so number of internal and border troops must be mentioned also, it is called active personnel not active soldiers, so including all security personnel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.93.146.23 (talk) 13:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Neftchi, before you change the number, we must have a WP:Consensus on the definition. The armed forces, as listed in the article, specifically exclude the paramilitary forces. They are not Ministry of Defence forces and thus, according to the article, not part of the armed forces. If you wish to change that, you will have to convince the community that this semi-former Soviet attitude applies. You need to achieve consensus at the armed forces page and reference that before you even think of coming here. In the meantime, I'm going to put in a compromise: I will put 95,000 (PLEASE STOP LEAVING THE NAVY AND AIR FORCE TOTALS OUT OF EVERYTHING!!, THEY'RE LOYAL SERVANTS OF AZERBAIJAN AS WELL) as well as 17,000 paramilitary. Otherwise, go through the process I've just outlined. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I was just on my routine check and I noticed this editing going on here. But excuse me Buckshot but the anon user is not me. I think you just made a honest mistake, since I am active in this article but be more mindful in the future before pointing the finger at somebody. As far as the number of troops goes, I think both of you have a point. Yes its about the armed forces but to neglect this security branch would be wrong, I say lets stick to the current compromise. Neftchi (talk) 21:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Air Force inventory

The source is here. Neftchi (talk) 08:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Namer

I corrected the text with the given source, so now you shouldnt have any reason to remove it. Neftchi (talk) 08:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Matador picture

You wanted a source for the Matador picture, I provided you with one, so you cannot remove the image. Neftchi (talk) 08:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Budget increase

Azerbaijan increased its military budget by 400 million AZN. Also the source for the current budget is in AZN not USD. I added 1.2 and 0.4 together and converted it, see here. changed the budget to the given number. Neftchi (talk) 08:35, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Neftchi, that's WP:SYNTH. I'm going to have to roll that back, because that's practically original research. We need one figure, announced as the annual budget, preferably already given in USD. Check CIA or State Department. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
How is that original research, have you even taken time reading the article before jumping to conclusions? The article clearly writes that fpr the 2010 budget AZN 400 mln will be increased on the current AZN 1205.8 mln. Its just putting 1+1 together. Take another look at the article. And if you dont agree the least you could do is revert back to the previous source and not further damage the article by removing relevant information. Neftchi (talk) 04:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Read WP:SYNTH: we are not allowed to add 1+1 etc because there may be many other factors involved. Do you think that there may have been some unannounced additions to the defence budget? Were different definitions of the defence budget used by different sources? What about different versions of the currency conversions at different times? etc. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I reverted back to the prior state, as you damage the article by removed information. You can do your own homework and find the answers for yourself, regarding your "questions". Neftchi (talk) 16:36, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
If your interested, read this. Another source confirmed what I just told you. Neftchi (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Third article on budget increase. It even gives you the converted currency into USD:
Azerbaijan intends to increase its 2010 expenses on defense and security by 400 million manats ($500 million). A relevant proposal has been made in the draft amendments and addenda to the country’s law on this year’s state budget. The initial version of Azerbaijan’s budget had set defense spending at almost 1.206 billion manats ($1.507 billion).* Neftchi (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I have references from many websites, including Russian, English about this 400 mln increase:

http://dalje.com/en-world/azerbaijan-boosts-2010-defence-spending-by-a-third/310550 http://www.iwpr.net/report-news/azerbaijan-boosts-military http://www.novosti.az/analytics/20100623/43450225.html http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1297566.html

I think this is far enough serious evidence that this news is not sham or fake.--NovaSkola (talk) 14:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

NovaSkola, no one is denying that the 400 mln increase occurred. What we cannot do in the infobox, under WP:SYNTH, for the reasons I listed above (potentially including unannounced additions to the defence budget, different definitions of the defence budget used by different sources, What about different versions of the currency conversions at different times? etc.) is make our own calculation of the total. We can only report a total that someone else reported - WP:V. There's also no issue in describing the one announced total in text, and saying that an additional total of X was reported as well. A defence budget section would be useful. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Buckshot recently the Azerbaijani president, Aliyev said the country’s defense spending equals $2.150 billion in 2010. This is 1 source which lays down the budget of 2010 and in USD. I think this is the solution you wanted. We can use this source, agreed? Neftchi (talk) 09:26, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Its been weeks and Buckshot has not commented on the last proposal, so I assume he is oke with the new source. Based on this I updated the budget. Neftchi (talk) 14:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

S-300 in Azerbaijan?

There is speculation that Azerbaijan has purchased 2 batteries of S-300 according to various sources. This information eventhough is it speculation and not proven should be reflected in the article as unsure information. The article can be found at: http://www.rferl.org/content/Closer_Military_Ties_With_Armenia_To_Boost_Russias_Regional_Clout/2126126.html 62.217.151.98 (talk) 10:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Azeri Army has some 250+ T-72's operational. The oldest tanks will be modernized by Israel and will become operational. It is believed that the Azeri's maintain the readiness and respect the CFE numbers. Most T-55 tanks are faced out and will be converted to other vehicles. Not confirmed yet what will happen.

About the Mig-29, the Azeri's have a lot of Mig-29 jets and will buy more for sure. Google it and you will find a lot of pictures of Mig-29's with Azeri flag on it. Or wait when Azeri army will launch an attack to take his lands back so you can see on the TV right?

Many people, countries, institutes, etc. accepts that the Azeri Army is far better supplied, better trained, more strategic weapons, more high tech weapons and a very high readiness. The Azeri Armed Forces are capable of planning large scale militaire excersises. (check the last one in 2010 with 77 AFV's for example).

Recently, the Azeri's signed an agreement (www.rewreward.blogspot.com) to produce the 107mm and 122mm MLRS systems, buying Cobra 4x4 apc's and a lot of more systems. Who's army is ready for war? The Armenian army spents barely 400 millions of dollars while the Azeri's 3 billion or more. Why you some of you guys still ignore the high readiness of the Azeri's? It is still a question what is never been answered...

The same for the Azeri's: They don't possess T-80's nor SU-27's. Why T-80's? Would they become invulnerable then? Azeri T-55's can win from Armenian T-72's too if they use the right tactic and when good trained. So it is not the numbers, but the way you use your troops in the modern battlefield. Not the technology, the soldier using the weapon is dangerous, a weapon is just a tool. A T-72 with standard equipment is just enough for the Azeri's I think.

Thanks for your time to read my article.

Check this in the article: "Despite the rise in Azerbaijan's defence budget, which now exceeds Armenia's entire state budget,[13] 'the armed forces do not have a high state of battle readiness and are ill-prepared for wide scale combat operations'[14] though recent acquisition of BM-30 Smerch long-range multiple rocket launchers, with a range of 70–90 km, means the armed forces' fire-power potential has risen significantly." Why talking about readiness? No one knows except the Azeri commanders about the readyness of an army. I would like to change this sentence. The reference is still unknown and unreliable. No one can check the reference. What do you think? The Smerch systems are 13, 1 bought as an example, later 12 were bought from Ukraine. Thats what I know.

Thank you for your suggestions on the article - we really appreciate intelligent debate on the topic. The reference article can be read here Could you tell me why you think the reference, from the Conflict Studies Research Centre, is not valid? What problems do you think it has? Buckshot06 (talk) 12:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I think that no one would know the result of war. I read the PDF and it gave me the feeling that it was not a neutral document but morely a pro-Armenian story. On paper, Azeri armed forces are significantly stronger then their rivals. But winning a war has it's costs. You can win, but how? A battle is won by tactics, not by numbers (famous quote) so lesser readiness doesn't say nothing. I think the itallic part of the text should be changed.Sonertje80

Thankyou Sonertje80 for your comments. Do you realise that not just CSRC, now the Advanced Research and Assessment Group, in the UK says this, but the International Crisis Group (International Crisis Group, Azerbaijan: Defence Sector Management and Reform, Crisis Group Europe Briefing N°50, 29 October 2008 - you can find it if you search) as well?
All the evidence I have indicates that the Armenians, in a possibly similar situation to Israel (with enemies on all sides) have a great motivation to fight well. It appears from the ARAG and ICG reports that Azerbaijan has less reason. Azerbaijan is less threatened from all sides. Corruption eats at military effectiveness in Azerbaijan.
Please be aware, I am a New Zealander, and I have little reason to write favourable material slanted towards either side. Everything I have seen indicates that the Azerbaijani Government would suffer defeat again should they try military action. I am a little sorry to have to write this, and I hope I have not offended you, but wikipedia is about seeking the truth, not necessarily what one would wish. Kind regards from Aotearoa New Zealand, Buckshot06 (talk) 01:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
It does not make any sense where a person lives, as you compare Armenia with Israel, then you are wrong as Israel has more vulnerabilities against the Arabs. The USA just aided the Israeli army with 1000 M48 tanks just in a night. If the USA was late then today no Israel exist today. Then look at Turkey, also known as corruption after the 1960's till the end 1990's. You can buy everything, even a married wife you can buy. Just pay money and the marriages were withdrawn and your name was forged in the books :-) haha. Not that it happened, but it's they way of speak. When a traffic police stopped you for driving faster then the speed limit, you can give 25% of the fine and the fine was revoked. Such country finished the Greeks in 3 days war in Cyprus and massively annihilated the Greek Cyprus armed forces with 12.000 Greek forces knocked out, including 4000 death on the Greek side. So a country can be corrupt, but the army is still standing and ready to fight. Ottomans were also very low on readiness and bribery was just normal there. If you don't like bribery then you was seen often as a maniak. But...here comes the painful fact: Bribing Ottoman country defeated the modern, good trained, fully equipped ANZAC's in de war of Gallipolli. So please don't use corruption as a reason of lack in the army as these things, corruption of the community is not related with the army strength.
You can not say Azeri army is not able to liberate it's occupied territories. But this does also not mean the Azeri's will definitely win the war. But in my calculations and research, Azeri army can conduct much larger scale military operations with longer duration in day and night and in all weather conditions. They have air superiority, war planes with ground attack-, close air support- and interdiction capabilities.
This words came from the Netherlands, not from Turkey or Azerbaijan :-) We both live outside of the countries in issue. I like to debate... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonertje80 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Dear Sonetje80, thankyou for your comments. I appreciate your willingness to discuss these issues. I do understand you come from the Netherlands, and we have another colleague interested in these issues there, User:Neftchi. We have to be careful and try to discuss the core issue without getting tangled up with Turkey's wars, in Cyprus and the Dardenelles Campaign. This is about Azerbaijan, not Turkey. Would you mind please looking at the ICG report and telling me what you think of it? I would be very interested in your comments. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Okey I will pull back about the story of Turkey and Israel, but it was you who started out of toppic to make an example with other countries. Please give me the link of the ICG report as I really don't know and then I will write here in the discussions section. Thanks in advance. Sonertje80 —Preceding undated comment added 21:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC).
Thanks for your reply Sonetje80. Here's the link - http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/europe/caucasus/azerbaijan/b050-azerbaijan-defence-sector-management-and-reform.aspx. Please also, if you might, sign yourself like this ~~~~. Then you'll sign yourself instead of SineBot following you around. The question of urgency is a bit relevant, but I can understand that Israel might be a sensitive issue. A book to look at Herbert Howe's 'Ambiguous Order,': it's about armies in Africa, but sort of applies here. Page references are 47-50; might be able to find it at Google Books. Best regards Buckshot06 (talk) 22:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I have read the crisis group page. What I read is much different then what people say and write here on wiki. The crisisgroup writes that Azeri armed forces has made some progress with IPAP and later they stopped reforming. Whole Azerbaijan needs reform towards todays standards. But I want something made clear bu more people: Is Azeri army worser than Armenian army or not? It is not 1992 anymore where the Azeri's had merc's from Russia and Ukraine. Azeri armed forces are conducting large scale military maneuvers every year with the last one ended recently where there joined 77 AFV's and 4300 men, from land and air forces including tanks, long range artillery and special forces.Sonertje80 (talk) 17:30, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Please look at the whole 20-page report; there's not just one page: http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/Files/europe/b50_azerbaijan___defence_sector_management_and_reform.ashx
Also what do you know about Dedovschina in the Azeri Armed Forces. I have reports indicating that it still continues (like the Kazakh Airborne, as well).
Are the Azeris worse than the Armenians? If you want my personal opinion, after reading those two reports and considering the motivation to fight of the two sides, I believe, yes, the Armenians are more battle ready. But please read the entire ICG report, and then I'd be very interested to hear your views. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 19:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Dedovschina? Never heard of it, but it is pretty standard that you will be kicked blue if you are a greeny. So you are not green anymore but blue then you can resist enemies punches and kicks too if you know your brothers slab in your face. Thats the Russian way to get hardened. The Azeri's have also this kind but not much like the Russians. Even the Dutch landmacht has it's problems where some people are humiliated by other groups. I spoke to one of the Major's who's been to Azerbaijan to train the Azeri signal divisions. He told me that the Azeri's have to learn to be alone and without Turkish help. Turkish militairy advisors (NATO IPAP) trained the Azeri soldiers starting from 1994 till 2006. In 2006 there was just only a platoon symbolically left as consultants when they needed. I doubt that they are still there and I think the Azeri's are alone today. In 2006, the major who I had spoken told me that the Azeri army was in 60% readiness. Today they might go higher, in worst case 70% readiness but again this will never brought outside.

Talking about the Armenian army, especially in the occupied Azerbaijani territory Karabach, I read many times that soldiers were 'ungreened' by seargeants sometimes with fatalities. They have the same problems like their rivals. The Armenian army is also low on readiness if you look at training level and their mothers bring food to their sons who has to serve for Armenia. Armenian army does not cook for the conscripts but only for the ranked officers what makes clear that they have a chronick shortage in funding and morale. But they are much stronger today compared from 1994. Do you know why I always say that Armenian army is worser theen the Azeri's? 1992 the Russian 366th motor rifle regiment anexed the Azeri territory and the Armenians just came after the Russians. Thats why I always say that they rely on the Russians what makes them weak. This year again, the Armenian army makes talk that if Azerbaijan attacks the Armenian army in Karabach, they will call for help from the Russians. If the Armenians believed they are stronger, then they didn't make such statements.

Okey now I will read the whole articles of the ISG. I just wanted to write my own story first, then to write again after I read the ICG articles.Thanks.Sonertje80 (talk) 21:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC) I have read the PDF you send me. It is true that Azeri's have internal problems. It is true that there is bribery in the Army of Azerbaijan about the officers serving in the contact line when they got hated by their superiors. But first, what do you understand when speaking of military readiness? The number of soldiers ready for war? Or the army lacks today's standards and is poor in tactics, hardware and outfits? The whole Azerbaijani country is booming if you look at Armenia where everything is almost collapsed. Most firms are under Russian control and the people just earn $ 60,- every month. Both countries armed forces have problems but still I think Azerbaijani Armed Forces are able to liberate their lands when the Russians will not actively helps them in the fields (by sending troops to fight Azeri's). The Azeri's have an airforce so thats the biggest plus what will be a good support for the land forces when they launch a full scale assault.

Is there also such document what describes the Armenian army or not? Sonertje80 (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Quick acknowledgement Sonertje80. Thankyou for your extended comments. I very much appreciate you writing what you have. Short answer : no, there's no document better than the two I've linked that I can find. But surely, if the Azeris thought they were able to seize NK, they would have tried? The fact that they have not tried makes me wonder whether the military high command does not think they are ready.
On your point about the air forces, this was a list I gave User:Neftchi when he was saying the Smerch gave significant battle capability to Azerbaijan: Factors that influence turning aircraft into operational military capability include : literacy requirements, individual training requirements, unit training requirements, unit motivation, commanders' skills, lack or presence of corruption, level of individual thinking or the lack of it (willingness to take difficult decisions in the absence of orders), presence or lack of tools, presence of spare parts, fuel availability, ammunition availability for training, and number of flying hours. Would you like to comment on these factors in relation to the Azeri Air and Air Defence Force? Your thoughts are greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Buckshot06 (talk) 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I think even the Azxeri's know they can easily win from Armenian army, they won't attack. First of all, Azerbaijan is not an agressor. Azerbaijan exactly knows that war when not needed is crime. Ataturk also told that war must be the last option to solve the problems or if your enemies has started a war against you. Azeri's remember Ataturk so they also apply his style of politics too. Second, you need friends to start a fight or else you will be on your own. Like the USA's Bush administration, they first visited other NATO countries to get them with the US together against Afghanistan and later on Iraq. The US had enough friends gathered world wide and today they don't when they talked about Iran for example. So making friends before you start a military intervention, other countries are less likely to support actively your enemy.

I believe that if the diplomatic way will no bring solution, the Azeri's will launch an attack. On the other hand, every day Azeri army is growing and the Armenian army is suffering. How many Armenian T-72's are modernized? How many Azeri T-72's are modernized? The Azeri T-72's most of them were modernized by Ukraine (laser range finder, image intensifier passive night vision, upgraded commanders periscope, Kontakt-5 ERA package, drozd anti missile active protection system, etc.) and recently, Israeli firm had won the tank modernization tender from Turkey's ASELSAN where both firms tested upgraded T-72's in Nahçivan district worth $56 million. Maybe the personell is not like western military personel, bribery, etc. Also some lack on training, as Turkish advisors trained the Azeri's mostly, there is still some work to do I agree on that. But where are the documents regarding on Armenian armed forces?

Your question about the Air forces, spare parts, ammo, etc.. There is no information known about the Air Forces. Would you show your strength to the entire world? Maybe the Azeri jets can just fly a couple of sorti's or maybe they have enough spare parts and service plants. One thing is sure, they have enough kerosine to fly for years. We all don't know about the Azeri Air Forces unless you have a spy or was a high ranking officer in the AzAF.

The Mig-29's were also made public years later after they had trained their first pilots. The same on the Mi-24 super hinds modernized by South Africa with night capabilitie, and helmet mounted sight system (aim the 20mm gun where you look at it). Azeri's have service plants but probably not enough to fit them all together in very short time in war times. Also this is not been confirmed and not brought outside. Former NATO secretary Luns answered a question when a diplomat asked wich NATO army was the strongest. The answer was Turkey. Turkey does not show it's strength and they are always ready for war. Second was Germany who also was ready for war. But Turkey never made public what they had ready for their enemies (Soviets). Today it is the same for Azerbaijan. We will never know what exact strength the Azeri forces really are. When diplomacy fails, then we can see who will win the war. Thats what I can say about the AzAF. Remember that the Armenians does not have an Air Foce at all. Counting a couple of Su-25's in front of squadrons of Mig-25 and mig-29 they can shake it.Sonertje80 (talk) 21:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

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Reply: Heyy dude how did you get that the 9A52 was a truck? Never google it? The 9A52 is a 300mm MLRS with 12 rockets. Maybe you should investigate some military hardware first before you write in the fields. The MT-12 is known as 'Rapira' and it is a 100mm anti-tank gun. Able to launch 100mm 9M117 (AT-10 Stabber) ATGM and with good KE ammunition, it is able to penetrate 450mm RHA at 2000 meters. The Azeri's have a lot of these guns, 72 pieces are confirmed. Regards, Sonertje80
Re: MiG-29s Thats the official UN has been noted in the register. Ofcourse they could have more Mig-29's just with 5 you can not form a fully equipped squadron ofcourse. Some Ukrainen sources noted 16, don't know the link anymore. But 5 is really sure for 100%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonertje80 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Azerbaijan has a lot of projects in developing arms, license production with Turkish MKEK, Roketsan, ASELSAN, etc. Very good example is the T-107 and T-122 MLRS projects that will be license produced in brother Azerbaijan. The exact numbers are unknown but it was stated it was the biggest piece in the 225 million dollar project. I read this from www.news.az and www.today.az Sonertje80

We need sources to update this article. So if you have sources, post them here. Neftchi (talk) 08:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

NATO/Azerbaijan communique

I just wanted to inform readers that I have removed the text of the NATO/Azerbaijan communique from the article. This is in line with WP:UNDUE; the whole page structure is bent out of place by inserting the whole text of the communique. The proper place for this kind of full document is Wikisource, where the document could be mounted if people wish. A summary of the document is more appropriate here. Regards to all, Buckshot06 (talk) 04:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thats a fine edit. The information made little sense. Neftchi (talk) 08:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Marine Academy

I think the Azerbaijan State Marine Academy article should be mentioned under the navy headline. Neftchi (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Why? Buckshot06 (talk) 23:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Well it is an military academy. If you disagree, I think we should at least mention it under the "see also", what do you think? Neftchi (talk) 19:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
It's not part of the military. If you wish to add it to an armed forces article, maybe it should go under the Navy article, but it would be WP:UNDUE to mention it here. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Name move

Azərbaycan Silahlı Qüvvələri is translated into Azerbaijan Armed Forces. Not Azerbaijani, or else it would have said Azərbaycanli. This minor thing should be corrected. Neftchi (talk) 20:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

We go with what the most common name is of the organisation in English (WP:COMMONNAME). English does not use the proper-name (eg Azerbaijan) form; it uses the possessive. Thus your suggestion is incompatible with the guidelines. Try researching and writing some more sections about the armed forces based on more than internet references. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Alright its a reasonable explanation. But you dont have to start bashing on me, what does your last sentence have to do with my suggestion above. Neftchi (talk) 09:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Combat readiness

I would like to doubt this comment "Despite the rise in Azerbaijan's defence budget, which now doubles Armenia's entire state budget,[13] the armed forces wwere assessed in 2008 as not having a high state of battle readiness and being ill-prepared for wide scale combat operations." First of all this information is from only one of sources, and second of all, combat readiness of army is could be disputed as that obsolete information based in 2008 and Azerbaijani army getting better from year to year.--NovaSkola (talk) 15:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Please read the section labeled 'Comments' above carefully, and better still, the linked CSRC document. This issue has already been discussed at length. Buckshot06 (talk) 17:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

pictures

i see here: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azerbaijani_Armed_Forces&action=historysubmit&diff=438325128&oldid=438205975 ] why buckshot making remove pictures of army parade in baku? he say picture is not good copyright but pictures is from army parade in 2011 in baku who is public open to everybody. buckshot making remove picture S300 - who is big role in miltairy.

please answer question. BabəkXürrəmi (talk) 03:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC) ~

Matador vehicle manufacturing also in azerbaijan, see: [ http://212.110.185.194/en/media-centre/in-the-news/view/janes-azerbaijan-begins-mpv-assembly ] - it write here: Azerbaijan is to manufacture Marauder and Matador (4x4) mine-protected vehicles (MPVs) under a deal signed with South Africa's Paramount Group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BabəkXürrəmi (talk • contribs) 03:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


video parade here: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H1luKoACkY ] — Preceding unsigned comment added by BabəkXürrəmi (talk • contribs) 03:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Because these pictures have ambiguous copyright status, and I have a strong suspicion that you may be a sockpuppet. Buckshot06 (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

there is no problem in copyrighting of pictures. i showing you proof tere was parade in baku. pictures were made by people who watching parade. what so "ambiguous " about this? you saying no arguments. its not oke way of talking. you making monopoly? you must represent your arguements or you can not removing pictures anymore. im from baku, not sockpuppet, you have proof of you sayings? show it, no monopoly or teasing people. BabəkXürrəmi (talk) 14:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

OK BabəkXürrəmi, I'm sorry. The problem is we have an extremely persistent Azeri editor from the Netherlands who has had pictures deleted as copyright violations before, and keeps on trying to insert pictures cropped to remove the Associated Press or whatever identifying markings, so that they can (a) be passed off as his own, and (b) be included into the article. Would you please mind sending me an e-mail through the email-this-user function on my user page, explaining the circumstances (date of parade, significance, camera details) and meanwhile I will take another look at the pictures and see if there's any reason they cannot be re-up-loaded. Thanks for your consideration on this. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 14:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

i dont knows what is e-mail through the email-this user function. i can answering other questions of you. date of parade was on army day - 26 june 2011, it was on national tv and news: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H1luKoACkY full parade video ] [ http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63741 news ]. i thinking picture s-300 is important because this is most important air-dyfense system in azerbaijan. cost 300 million dollar. in eurasianet you can see it writis about it. camera details is in picture file: [ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DSC0388.JPG ]. same story with marauder vehicle picture [6]. same parade on the same day. im not maker or uploader of this pictures, just added it here. and this marauder and metador vehicles are manufactered in azerbaijan. that is why it is significant. so i replacing old picture of random metador with real marauder made in azerbaijan. same story for mig29 in baku parade. [7]. i thinking best to have real picture of azeri mig than other country mig. this picture is made during parade. many pictures was made in this day because it was public day, so dont be surprized. i am not maker of all this pictures. i just looked here: [8]. it show many pictures of parade day. my english is not so good and you can call me babek for short. BabəkXürrəmi (talk) 06:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Babek. Please send me an email via this link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Buckshot06. Cheers ! Buckshot06 (talk) 15:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Babek for your e-mail. I have reinserted the S-300 picture. Apologies for my initial distrust - hope I explained why. Buckshot06 (talk) 15:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

no problem, what about picture of marauder? [9] and mig29 [10] from parade 2011. you can make put back also these pictures? BabəkXürrəmi (talk) 13:31, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

i waiting for long time on answer from buckshot. i writing on him talkpage. he not giving answer. i dont know its if normal to wait so long for answer. its not fair i must waiting for so long and buckshot can make everything change in 1 day. i replace picture of azeri manufactered Matador with azeri manufactered marauder [11] earlier i explaining and proof to buckshot militairy parade was hold in 2011 in baku. and marauder picture was taken there also like s-300. BabəkXürrəmi (talk) 04:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

S-300

I added some updates regarding the S-300 system in Azerbaijan, the sources are: [12] and [13]. I added these with good faith. Neftchi (talk) 19:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

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Military Budget 2007

According to apa.az which refered to Azerbaijan Defense Ministry, the military budget of Azerbaijan is AZN 1.3 billion now. Thats about 1.5 USD billion. Baku87 16:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


azerbaijan's state budget is 64 bilion dollars, and if military budget is 4.4 bilion than it is 5.8% of state budget. it is just a mathematics. do not remove 5.8% or make a citate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gergea1 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

6th Army Corps (Azerbaijan)، سپاه ششم ارتش آذربایجان

Azerbaijan creates 6th Army Corps In nakhchivan

Karam Mustafayev has become commander of 6th Army Corps. 6th Army Corps has been created in the Nakhchivan . strengthen defense capability of Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic, increase of combat capability of military units and formations of the Armed Forces, improve central control.

( سرتیپ ) کرم مصطفی یف بعنوان فرمانده سپاه ششم تعیین گردیده است . در جهت افزایش توان دفاعی جمهوری خود مختار نخجوان و افزایش توان رزمی یگانهای نظامی و فرماندهی و کنترل از یک طریق یک مرکز سپاه ششم تشکیل یافته است .




سپاه ششم ضمانت امنیت نخجوان :


یکی از بخش های قدیمی آذربایجان ، نخجوان می باشد که آنرا بعضی ها دروازه شرق ، بعضی دیگر متصل کننده دنیای بزرگ ترک بهم دیگر و یا جاده مهم ترانزیتی آسیا به اروپا نامیده ند . قبل از در نظر گرفتن هر گونه دید استراتژیکی ، این سرزمین با قدمتش و نامیده شده بعنوان پدر دوم بشریت ، وطن نوح پیامبر شناخته شده است .


در عمومیت در طول تاریخ نخجوان منطقه تلاقی کنجکاوی ها بوده است .شاید هم بخاطر اینست که در صد سال اخیر تامین امنیت این منطقه در مرکز دقت بوده است .90 سال پیش گرفتن خود مختار یت نخجوان ، آنرا از خطرات خارجی محافظت نموده است .لکن در مقابل ، پیش کشیدن ادعاهای بی اساس هرگز کم نشده است حتی در تاریخ اخیر پایان عصر پیشین اعاهایی که به این سرزمین شده بیشتر شدت یافته است .

مانند دیگر بخش های آذربایجان ، نخجوان مورد حملات بی قرار ارمنستان منفور قرار گرفته بود . در بخش صدرک در منطقه شرور، هاووش ، شاهبولاق ، یوخاری یایجی ، منطقه شاهبوز ، شادا ، بخش بابک ، گرمچاتاق ، یوخاری بوزقوو و سایر مناطق مرزی که نامشان ذکر نشد جنگ سنگین انجام شده هیچ وقت از اذهانشان مردمشان پاک نخواهد شد . آنرا نیز در نظر بگیریم که در جمهوری خودمختار جنگ متفاوتی از دیگر مناطق آذربایجان و در شرایط محاصره انجام شده است .

سخت بودن وضعیت جنگی در شرایط محاصره برای کسی نیاز به اثبات ندارد . قطع ارتباط راههای زمینی با بخش اصلی آذربایجان ، دادن انرژی الکتریکی برق در فواصل زیاد و نداشتن گاز طبیعی و همچنین کم شدن تدارکات تجهیزاتی و غذایی به مرور زمان ، مبارزه با ایمان نخجوان در این زمان به معنای حقیقی کلمه چندین جمله ساده نوشته شده بر صفحات قهرمانی این سرزمین است .

در نظر بگیریم که در همان دوره در مقایسه با دشمن ، نخجوانی که دارای کمتریت امکانات تکنیکی و فنی بود جهت تسلیم نکردن نخجوان به دشمن مبارزه زندگی یا مرگ می کردند . در مقایسه با دیگر نواحی مرزی جمهوری خود مختار جهت حرکت راحتر نیروهای پیاده و خودرویی در اراضی صدرک که منطقه استراتژیکی مناسبی به حساب میامد برای همین بطور متمادی مورد هدف قرار می گرفت . اما این جبهه توسط دشمن تسخیر نشد ، چونکه در نخجوان سازماندهی و فرماندهی نیروهای نظامی توسط رهبر بزرگ حیدر علی یف انجام می شد .


بر همگان روشن است که رهبر بزرگ حیدر علی یف بعد از بازگشت از مسکو به نخجوان با استقبال صمیمی مردم اینجا روبرو شده و بعد از یک مدت کوتاه ، رئیس مجلس عالی جمهوری خود مختار انتخاب شد . بعد از انتخاب شدن بعنوان رهبر جمهوری خود مختار که جمعاً بعد از 4 روز در هفتم سپتامبر سال 1991 صورت گرفت ، تصمیمات و دستورات مهمی را در رابطه با مسائل دفاع از جمهوری اتخاذ نمود . جهت فرماندهی یکپارچه نیروها و یگانهای موجود سازماندهی دولتی مناسبی را انجام داد . در 15 ام سپتامبر سال 1992 در اراضی جمهوری خود مختار نخجوان یکی از نخستین یگانهای های نظامی ملی تشکیل شده تیپ سوار زرهی 705 تقویت شده بود که با این اقدام تشکیل ارتش ملی در آذربایجان استارت خورد . در سال 1993 بعد از بازگشت رهبر بزرگ حیدر علی یف ، بخاطر تاکیدات مردم به حاکمیت آذربایجان در نخجوان در عمومیت در راستای تشکیل ارتش ملی قدم های بزرگی برداشت که جهت اجرایی کردن این تصمیمات ، آتش بس و سازش در جبهه های نبرد را امضا نمود.


در دومین دوره رهبری شخصیت بزرگ ، رشد و گسترش نیروهای نظامی ما در مرکز توجهات بوده است . هم در تامین نیروهای کادر با سواد نظامی بالا و همچنین نقطه عطفی در انجام اصلاحات دیگر در ارتش بوده است . در نتیجه در سایه توجهات رهبری بزرگ در سال 1995 تیپ 705 سوار زرهی به لشگر تبدیل شد . در تاریخ حساس نخجوان در آن دوران ، تامین یگانهای نظامی موجود بهتر از گذشته شده و استعداد کارکنان پایور به تدریج افزایش پیدا کرد . بخصوص در مقایسه با افسران مدنی و با سواد ، سال به سال تعداد افسران با سواد زیاد تر شده و در عین حال یگانهای نظامی مستقر در این منطقه از لحاظ پایگاههای فنی – مادی روز به روز بهتر شد که در نتیجه تشکیل یک نیروی جدید را ضروری می کرد . لذا در سال 1998 بر پایه لشگر 705 که نقش مهمی در دفاع از تمامیت ارضی جمهوی خود مختار بازی می کرد سپاه پنجم تشکیل یافت .


در طی دوره سابق ، یگان نظامی 705 سوار زرهی که تا سازمان سپاه گسترش پیدا کرده بود به نمونه بارز از اقدامات صحیح انجام شده در زمان خود تبدیل شد . در اینجا بدون یادآوری سخنان موسس ارتش آذربایجان خادم بزرگ ملت حیدر علی یف نمی توان گذشت . " تشکیل ارتش و تشکیل نیروهای مسلح به معنای ساخت یک بنا نیست . ارتش یک سازمان زنده است . این از یک طرف مانند یک ارگانیزم زنده زندگی می کند و از طرف دیگر مانند یک ارگانیسم زنده دائماً باید در حال رشد و توسعه باشد . بخاط همین سال به سال باید نیروهای مسلح خود را تکمیل تر نماییم . قدرت آنرا باید افزایش دهیم سطح حرفه ای گری را باید افزایش دهیم . و تجهیزات آنرا باید سال به سال بهتر کنیم . "


بلی ، شروع فعالیت از سال 1998 بعنوان یک سپاه ارتش ، یگان 705 سوار زرهی در عرض 16 سال با نظارت های فرماندهی کل قوا و نظارت رئیس مجلس عالی جمهوری خود مختار به پیشرفت های مهمی دست یافته است .در این طی این دوره صد ها پایگاه نظامی ساخته شده و یا از نو بازسازی گردیده و مورد استفاده قرار گرفته است . جهت کلیه کارکنان شرایط از همه جهت مادی – رفاهی تامین گردیده است ، خانه های سازمانی افسران و سایر کارکنان بهتر شده و در عین حال توان رزمی سپاه افزایش یافته است ، لوازم و تجهیزات یگانهای نظامی در سطح خوبی تامین می گردد و مهمتر از همه آنکه با افزایش روحیه حس وطن دوستی و اعمال آن در راستای صحیح در میان کارکنان نظامی ، موجب افزایش انگیزه خدمتی گردیده است . همچنین در جمهوری خود مختار نخجوان سفرهای متمادی نمایندگان مردم به یگانهای مستقر در اراضی و ارتباط با ادارات و سازمانهای دولتی و همچنین مراسماتی که در روزهای مشخص که با حضور کارکنان وظیفه برگزار می شود موجب تحکیم بیشتر این یکپارچگی گردیده است .در عین حال در جمهوری خود مختار نخجوان تداوم حضور رئیس مجلس در یگانها و بررسی مشکلات افسران و سربازان از نزدیک حس وطن دوستی کارکنان را افزایش داده و خدمت در ره وطن را بعنوان شغلی با شرافت در اعتقادات انان گنجانده است.


واضح است که با رشد و ترقی جمهوری خود مختار سازمان های نظامی آن نیز آنقدر پیشرفت کرده که بتواند از تمامیت ارضی خود محافظت نماید . واقعیت است که محاصره و حفاظت هر دو کلمات متضاد هم هستند ولی واقعیت اینست که در این سرزمین اجازه استفاده این دوکلمه با همدیگر داده شده است . در نگاه پیشرفت در تمامی جهات و تبدیل شده به بخش لیدر آذربایجان جهت گارنتی و حفاظت از تمامیت ارضی این سرزمین قدیمی توسط فرمانده کل نیروهای مسلح الهام علی یف در سطح بسیار عالی تامین گردید . در روزهای مانده به روز مختاریت فرمانده کل قوا دستور تایید اساسنامه در مورد وزارت دفاع جمهوری آذربایجان را صادر نمودند . اساس دستور در مورد افزایش توان دفاعی جمهوری خود مختار نخجوان و افزایش توان رزمی یگانهای نظامی و فرماندهی و کنترل از یک طریق یک مرکز سپاه ششم تشکیل یافت .


در عرض یک سال گذشته تجهیزات و سلاحهای بروز و معاصر به انبارهای مهمات سپاه ششم افزوده شد . استعداد نفرات افزایش یافت . و تاسسیات جدیدی ساخته و تحویل گردید و تمامی اقدامات انجام شده موجب گردیده تا سربازان این سپاه در نوار مرزی و در تماس با دشمن بدون در نظر گرفتن شرایط هوایی در شرایط معاصر و در سطح عالی خدمت نمایند و تمامی حرکان دشمن را در نظارت خود نگه دارند .

بلی امروز سپاه ششم هم در شرایط صلح و هم در شرایط جنگی و هم مقابله با هرگونه تجاوز خارجی به این خاک و ایجاد هماهنگی بین نیروهای نخجوان و بدون پشتیبانی سایر نیروهای منطقه بطور مستقل اقدام به جنگ و وحدت بین نیروها نقش بسیار مهمی در تامین امنیت منطقه بازی می کند . همچنین این نیرو گارانی حفظ تمامیت ارضی این منطقه و همچنین ضمانت امنیت آینده و عامل افتخارات و منبع غرور ماست . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ap8350 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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Azerbaijan's Defense Budget is 7.5 billion $ in 2016. Here is cite. Please don't edit it. N1C4T97 (talk) 18:59, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

It says 7.5 for 2014. The current budget is 1.46 as stated by this website. http://en.apa.az/azerbaijan-economy/finance-news/azerbaijan-to-increase-defense-spending-in-2016.html Ninetoyadome (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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According to this news source, the exact date of the foundation of modern Azerbaijani military was on 9 october 1991. The date of the foundation of the 20th century Azerbaijani military was 26 june 1918, please update this in the article. And another thing according to the same article, the military budget for 2007 is 1,1 billion not 900 million.

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=29342

my email is shakibullah7 52@Gmail۔com 119.152.181.16 (talk) 05:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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