Talk:Ava Max

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020

In promotional singles table, it's "Slippin" featuring Gashi, not with. 208.98.222.87 (talk) 15:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020

In breakthrough section, release date for "Who's Laughing Now?" got pulled forward to June 25th. 208.98.223.114 (talk) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 19:56, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

In breakthrough section, "Who's Laughing Now?" got postponed again to an indefinite date. 208.98.223.30 (talk) 19:40, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 22:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2020

Can someone move the discography section into a new page? I think that what is shown should be enough. 208.98.223.107 (talk) 19:46, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: I don't think the section is currently long enough to merit a standalone article. Darren-M talk 20:59, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2020

Update in discography section: "Kings & Queens" is now at number 15 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart. (See source in note.) 208.98.223.68 (talk) 20:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 20:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2020

In discography: "Kings & Queens" reached a new peak at 43 in Italy (see ITA source). Also change template "non-album single" to "n/a|non-album single" as there is a glitch with the "non-album single" template in the mobile app. 208.98.223.36 (talk) 19:40, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Chess

@Limesave: it is WP:OR to correlate the lyrics of "Kings and Queens" with the game of chess. I don't care if you claim to have a "source" that indicates a "lack of rating", the whole story you've made up is original research at its finest, and needs to be excluded until a reliable secondary source writes about it properly. Elizium23 (talk) 22:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Date of Birth

The correct date of birth for Ava Max is 2/16/94, NOT 1993. The 1993 DOB was introduced by an editor and is improperly sourced by an archived myspace account and not verifiable, the premise of the argument was that she claimed to have an age listed at 15 in 2008, making her born in 93, not 94. Math would prove it could be either.

Further, I have not found a single source, other than wikipedia, on the internet that claims to have the DOB as 1993. All sources have the 2/16/94 DOB.

Sources:

• https://www.last.fm/music/Ava+Max/+wiki
• https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/02/sweet-but-psycho-ava-max-interview

~RAM (talk) 04:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Ram1055, the last.fm source is unreliable. The Vanity Fair source says "1994" with no date given. Elizium23 (talk) 04:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Elizium23, The vanity fair interview has the DOB as 1994. That is an interview with Max. At the very least, the reliable sources show the DOB as 1994, with Last.fm having the 2/16.

Reliable sources don't have anything for 1993, other than myspace which we have no way to verify the date she put that she was 15 to verify the year of birth. ~RAM (talk) 04:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Ram1055, if you click through the last.fm pages, you will see a revision history with random pseudonymous strangers changing her birth year back and forth. Elizium23 (talk) 04:23, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Elizium23, Myspace is not a relaible source either. Vanity fair has the DOB as 1994, which is the only reliable source presented here. (Which you seem to refute and have issued me a warning for attempting to correct the BLP). ~RAM (talk) 04:25, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are on about. Read my edits. Stop inserting unsourced contentious biographical information. That is all. Elizium23 (talk) 04:27, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@152.238.18.238: As I stated in my previous edit summary, wait until there are several secondary reliable sources which confirm Max's birth date. Solely using Myspace to assume her age is original research and violates Wikipedia's policy about self-published sources. It also does not specify when she could have updated her year of birth, considering that she could easily be born in 1991 if she did not update her age since creating the account in 2006, or be a false year in order to access the account at the minimum legal age. There is no evidence that sources which cite her 1994 birth date are attributed to this Wikipedia article, considering that I transcribed information from the majority of these sources that directly interacted with her, such as Vanity Fair and The Virginian-Pilot. If you find any reliable secondary sources which state her date of birth as 1993, I will include it with a note detailing the two discrepancies.

@Ram1055: Using Last.fm as a source is unreliable, as it contains user-generated content that can easily be changed. Similarly, using public and legal records to prove her identification is considered as harassment, which is not acceptable on Wikipedia.

If her birth date is to believed, wait until several secondary sources confirm this before re-inserting in the article, and do not begin edit-warring over this issue. Thank you. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 04:28, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Angryjoe1111, I have also provided a vanity fair article, which is the ONLY secondary source which has a year of birth of 1994 from an interview in 2019. This is the only source which meets the BLP policy, which has been presented so far. ~RAM (talk) 04:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ram1055: My previous comment was not fully directed at you, since I have also focused my attention at the IP account. The Vanity Fair article is already included in the article in one of the earliest sentences. I have mostly agreed with your intentions, but there is no need to edit-war over a small detail which should be confirmed in a month. There are other sourced citations in the early life section of the article which also state the birth year as 1994. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 04:44, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Angryjoe1111, I appreciate your responses. I fail to see how I was edit-warring, as you'll note I did not revert the page more than the second time which was to include sources for the BLP. The exemptions on WP:3RRBLP specifically include unsourced info on a BLP. ~RAM (talk) 04:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Angryjoe1111, WP:BLPPRIMARY is more concerned about original research stemming from use of public records. The harrassment policy is about doxxing other editors. Elizium23 (talk) 04:38, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 04:44, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Elizium23, I have not inserted any unsourced or contentious biographical information. The only secondary source for the date of birth is the article in vanity fair which has it at 1994 ~RAM (talk) 04:35, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Ram1055, this diff shows you entering the full contentious birthdate and using an edit summary with a user-generated website to justify it. Elizium23 (talk) 04:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I have found a source regarding Max's birthday on February 16 from United Press International (UPI), which acts as a newswire service. It might not be the most reliable source, but maybe we could potentially use it if no other reliable secondary sources are available. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 18:15, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Unless there are WP:DOB issues, the Vanity Fair and UPI refs should be fine. --Hipal (talk) 18:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC)--Hipal (talk) 18:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2021

Please change Early Life as suggested (for English rather than content).

Currently:

During her time in South Carolina, Max attended Lexington High School for a year after being previously homeschooled, where she recalled being constantly bullied.[6][15][16] After she turned 17, Max returned to Los Angeles with her brother, who acted as her manager.[17][18] She acknowledged that the partnership "did not work out" due to differences in receiving orders from her brother, and both not knowing anyone in the area. Max's difficulty in searching for producers and songwriters alone caused her to spiral "down a really bad path", which led her to drink at an early age, and survive with 20 dollars a week.[7]

Suggested:

During her time in South Carolina, Max attended Lexington High School for a year, after being previously homeschooled, and she recalled being constantly bullied there.[6][15][16] After she turned 17, Max returned to Los Angeles with her brother, who acted as her manager.[17][18] She acknowledged that the partnership "did not work out" due to differences and receiving orders from her brother and because neither knew anyone in the area. Max's difficulty in searching for producers and songwriters alone caused her to spiral "down a really bad path", which led her to drink at an early age and having to survive on 20 dollars a week.[7]

94.126.214.7 (talk) 01:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 06:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2021 (2)

Please change 2013–2017: Career beginnings as suggested (for English rather than content).

Currently:

Max released "Take Away the Pain" in 2013,[19] which was remixed by the Canadian duo Project 46 in July 2015.[20] For several years, her demos were rejected and not returned by record producers and songwriters,[21] and was the recipient of several sexual harassment incidents.[15] In 2014, Max met Canadian record producer Cirkut at a dinner party in the Chateau Marmont.[6][22] Cirkut was also an acquaintance of her brother.[23] Max sang "Happy Birthday" to him,[14][24][25] which led both musicians to work together, writing hundreds of songs and releasing "Anyone but You" on SoundCloud in July 2016.[22]

Suggested:

Max released "Take Away the Pain" in 2013,[19] which was remixed by the Canadian duo Project 46 in July 2015.[20] For several years, her demos were rejected and not returned by record producers and songwriters.[21] She also faced several incidents of sexual harassment.[15] In 2014, Max met Canadian record producer and song writer Cirkut at a dinner party in the Chateau Marmont.[6][22] Cirkut was also an acquaintance of her brother.[23] Max sang "Happy Birthday" to him,[14][24][25] which led both musicians to work together, writing hundreds of songs and releasing "Anyone but You" on SoundCloud in July 2016.[22]

94.126.214.7 (talk) 01:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 06:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit. The matter seeking consensus is the use of TopHit.ru as a source for song release dates. Thank you, Heartfox (talk) 04:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Requesting a new picture of Ava Max

Is there a way of obtaining a new picture of Ava Max? I've seen cases where pictures are obtained from taking a screenshot of a YouTube video, but I do not know how that works. --Jvaspad (talk) 12:26, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

That is not advisable, as most of them are someone else's copyright. Britmax (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Second album's name

I think the source used is unreliable because it seems they got confused and thought that "Maybe You're the Problem" would also be the name of her next album. However, Ava has never confirmed that. --Jvaspad (talk) 10:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Albanian

Since it keeps coming up, here are sources describing her as Albanian.

• Belfast Life quotes her saying she is "100% Albanian."
• Yahoo's In the Know video platform says this: "So, who is Ava Max? Keep reading to learn all about the Albanian pop star."
• Anabel magazine quotes her saying, "I am proud to be Albanian."
• Czech newspaper Telegraphi wrote that she was "one of the most successful Albanians in the international arena."

Several media outlets have published articles about how a handful of ethnic Albanians have achieved pop success.

• The Economist says "What do Dua Lipa, Rita Ora and Ava Max have in common? Pop stars with Albanian roots conquer the world."

Hope that helps. Binksternet (talk) 06:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Binksternet: the term Albanian — like almost all demonyms — has two meanings: an ethnic one (in the sense that Joe Biden is Irish and Donald Trump is German) and citizenship. All of the articles you listed clearly use the ethnicity sense of the term (as does Ava Max herself when she describes herself as Albanian). Wikipedia has a fairly clear policy on this: the lead is for citizenship, not ethnicity. (And even secondary citizenships aren't automatically listed if they're not directly relevant to the subject's reason for notability — see for instance the occasionally recurring discussions on the Dwayne Johnson talk page.) Plenty of other articles about people who vocally identify with their heritage (some famous examples are Rami Malek, Lin-Manuel Miranda and Joe Biden) describe them as simply "American." Don't get me wrong - Ava Max's Albanian roots and her pride in them should absolutely be in the article, maybe even in the lead somewhere. But not in the first sentence that describes who she is. If we want to call her Albanian-American in the first sentence of the lead, we'd first have to find reliable sources stating that that's what she's primarily known for. --Tserton (talk) 22:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Update: as there has been no objection over the past two weeks, I've gone ahead and removed her ethnicity from the first sentence of the lead. --Tserton (talk) 18:52, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Lead section edits

@FMSky: Instead of referring to my edits as "nonsensical", how about viewing them in good faith and discussing them here. I do not see why the genre should be immediately listed in the first sentence of the lead section next to her nationality, since they are already included in the infobox. I am unopposed for a brief sentence about her musical style and influences if deemed notable enough to include there, but I also question your omission of including "dance-pop" since more sources list her as such on the article than "pop". Also, this article has been constantly edit-warred on due to WP:ETHNICITY. It would be great if you came to a consensus with User:Binksternet and the several IP addresses here as well. Thank you. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 05:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I listed some sources above that support "Albanian" ethnicity in the lead section. My main concern is countering the sockpuppets of banned User:Dealer07 who likes to remove valid Albanian ethnicity. Binksternet (talk) 12:36, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Ava's signature with SB Projects

Could someone add Ava's recent signature with SB Projects under the "2022–present: Diamonds & Dancefloors" section using this Variety article as the source, please? Jvaspad (talk) 02:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Cirkut collaboration post Diamonds & Dancefloors

@Sucker for All: I've seen you add information about Cirkut's limited production with Max after Diamonds & Dancefloors, but there hasn't been sources which confirm this. I've reverted this for the time being until corresponding citations are included alongside this to confirm. Please include a source which directly states this information if you re-add it again. Thanks. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 07:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

perhaps just ? I don't see confirmation that they will be working together in the future either Sucker for All (talk) 21:09, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Requesting a small edit

heyy i am really sorry, i don't really know how wikipedia works, but i am requesting a small edit on the ava max article. May the picture provided in the article please be changed? It's outdated and doesn't really reflect how she currently looks right now after the evolution of her clothing, hairstyle and makeup. thank you so much for your understanding! PopStan (talk) 13:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@PopStan:Unfortunately, Wikipedia can't just use any picture on the internet. We need the express permission of the person who took the picture, and there are not many photos of Ava Max where that's the case. If you have one — or you know of one where the photographer has given permission for it to be used by others (here's a detailed description of the permission required, if you're interested) — please upload it to Wikimedia Commons so Wikipedia can use it! --Tserton (talk) 20:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit on "Personal life"

Should the fact that she has suffered from scoliosis be added in "Personal life"? Here is a source of her talking about it (skip to 8:10). Jvaspad (talk) 23:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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