Talk:Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi

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Need explanation and source[edit]

How on Earth are the PFLP an explicitly communist organisation islamists aswell? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.32.179 (talk) 23:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is good so far, but one thing that stands out is "charging that the Palestinian Authority was not sticking to the agreement reached with Israel four years earlier". It is not much use without saying in what way the agreement was not being kept. Were the prisoners not actually locked up or something? Needs detail and a source. Zerotalk 04:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

added source. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 04:15, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Classification of the Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi[edit]

Is the Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi considered only a political assassination, or only a terrorist attack or maybe both? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 13:08, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TheCuriousGnome. It is considered an act of terrorism by an overwhelming majority of reliable sources. Some examples include:
  1. "including Multiculturism, America, and the Middle East: An Exposé, an Indictment" - Page 126, by Alfred S. Golding.
  2. "Targeting Terrorists: A License to Kill?". By Avery Plaw. p. 70
  3. Profiles In Terror: The Guide To Middle East Terrorist Organizations. By Aaron Mannes. Page 284
  4. Chronologies of Modern Terrorism. Barry M. Rubin, Judith Colp Rubin. Page 225

Marokwitz (talk) 14:53, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd add that it was done by a member of the PFLP who confessed to various other terrorist activities, and the PFLP itself is designated by many countries as a terrorist organizations. --Activism1234 03:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Even the pro-Palestinian United Nations organization UNISPAL (and no, I'm not making a generalization, this organization is created specifically for Palestinians) said that the assassination was perpetrated by terrorists. The view of the United Nations certainly carries weight. And as given above, a variety of books as well. --Activism1234 03:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Books written by authors or pundits who're unambiguously pro-israel or very pro-israel shouldn't be seen as "reliable sources" by default when it comes to addressing Palestinian militant groups, fyi. The fact that the PFLP is listed as a terrorist organization by the USA and a handful of countries that listed it as a sop to the Israeli government doesn't make it a "terrorist group" for all time written in stone also. It's a militant group whose ideology is rooted in national liberation that's done some things that are militarily justifiable and some things that aren't militarily justifiable or otherwise can't be condoned. It's also worth mentioning that if the PFLP and other Palestinian militant groups are going to be described as "terrorist" across the board, then one can very easily argue that Israel is a state that was founded wholesale on the back of terrorism and war crimes (ethnic cleansing, for example). We've already seen over the decades that the Israeli government and army is fine with committing war crimes and human rights violations in Palestine and Lebanon, so... 2607:FEA8:A4E0:11EC:A5A1:FD31:9855:7CE4 (talk) 03:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First Israeli minister killed by a terrorist?[edit]

Doesn't Yitzak Rabin's murder by Yigal Amir count as a terrorist attack? StaffanBaloo (talk) 09:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. But this article is so biased that I can't be bothered fixing it. Zerotalk 13:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a go based on this BBC source. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:12, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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"Terrorism"[edit]

This was a politically-motivated assassination, with the motive specifically given as revenge for the assassination of Abu Ali Mustapha by the Israeli military. The victim was a high ranking member of the Israeli government during a period of open conflict in the 2nd intifada (although it's arguable that the occupation of the west bank and gaza by itself is enough of a provocation, as it entails the hostile military occupation of another country). In light of these facts I see no reason why this should be classified as "terrorism" just because the Israeli government says it was. By that standard, all Israeli targeted assassinations of Palestinian political and military figures are beyond the shadow of a doubt examples of state-based terrorism (considering how indiscriminate they generally were during the intifada and continue to be, they're basically state-based terror regardless). I'm going to argue that the assasination of Zeevi should be classified as an assassination or militant operation for the sake of neutrality; classifying it as "terrorism' is as POV as classifying targeting armed and combat-ready Israeli soldiers who're KIA or captured and killed while in the West Bank or Gaza "terrorism" (IDF soldiers killed by their captors should be considered extrajudicially executed, but capturing them in the first place isn't "terrorism" the way the Israeli government and IDF claims it is). 2607:FEA8:A4E0:11EC:A5A1:FD31:9855:7CE4 (talk) 03:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"An eye for an eye, a tooth fit a tooth…"[edit]

Bringing up here because I don't have any specific references handy, or time to find them today.

This says "During the raid, in addition to the four assassins, Israel also captured Ahmed Saadat (who Israel alleges ordered Ze'evi's assassination)" but as far as I gather, the PFLP don't dispute this?

There's a bit of ambiguity about the specificity, but at the very least their side of the story includes him calling for proportionate retribution for the death of Abu Ali Mustafa, there if a frequently circulated speech with him yelling "an eye for an eye, etc." but thinking about it now, I'm not 100% sure if this actually before or after 17 October?

I guess the short version is just, does anyone actually dispute that Saadat ordered it?

Irtapil (talk) 06:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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