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God awful sentence[edit]

Somebody please fix this, I can't be bothered as doing so would require reading it once more, and reading this sentence feels like being dragged through several lifetimes of torture, bondage and abuse: 'By definition it is a challenge, or at the very least a comment, related to the earlier work or the theme of that work, or to the expectations of a particular audience, and more likely to fulfil that function to its full potential when it is unilateral, although in these instances, it is almost certain that it will be viewed by authorities as unwelcome, if not vandalism, and not art.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.222.232 (talk) 11:46, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Non-referenced material[edit]

I have removed the following new addition. It needs a verifiable reference if it is to remain in the article.

In February 2005 Jewish artist, Lennie Lee, was censored for exhibiting a piece called "Judensau"(Jewpig) in Treptow Town Hall gallery, Berlin. The authorities were forced to take the piece down thereby breaking German laws governing art censorship in the process. The piece attracted considerable attention in the media. Lee offered to remove his Judensau on condition that a 14th century sculpture of a Judensau was removed from the side of Martin Luther's church in Wittenburg. Martin Luther, in addition to founding the Lutheran church was a well-known anti-semite and is thought to have had considerable influence on Nazi ideas such as the setting up of the concentration camps.

Tyrenius 18:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you need a verifiable reference see below
External Links:
Also the March 2005 issue of Konkret page 42. This magazine has existed 32 years and is one of the most revered political magazines in Germany. Ulrike Meinhof used to write for it in the 70s.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konkret


Also read "The Jews and their lies" by Martin Luther. It advocates many of the crimes committed by the Nazis during their period in power.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by :86.143.153.212 (talk • contribs) .

Did Lee put his work in the town hall without asking or was it part of a scheduled exhibition? If the latter, then it wasn't an art intervention, just a controversial work. Tyrenius 16:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't quite correct. The exhibition was scheduled to show the work of a group of artists working in Germany. At the last moment Lee's work was added.

It was an intervention organised by the other artists working in the show who claimed (incorrectly) Lee was one of them.

Lee's work was designed to put the institution into a difficult position. If they left it up they would be accused of anti-semitism by their opponents. Also, if they took the work down, the neo-Nazis might have asked for the right to disseminate racist literature.

On the other hand, if they took the work down, they would be illegally censoring the work of a Jewish artist dealing with anti-semitic stereotypes. Catch 22

Lee is well-known in Berlin art circles for his interventions. In 1994 he made a hoax poster inviting people to a party in the gas-chamber of a concentration camp. It ended up as front page news. 100 police turned up for a non-existent party.

See Tage-zeitung 01/08/1994

Surely this constitutes an art intervention? 86.143.153.212 23:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.143.153.212 (talk • contribs) .

I think the explanation you give above needs to be included in the article. Preferably referenced. If you put the reference in the main text as in this example, it generates footnote automatically:

<ref name=perry>[http://arts.guardian.co.uk/turnerprize2003/story/0,,1102084,00.html "Turner Prize Goes to Perry – and Claire", The Guardian, December 8, 2003] Retrieved March 22, 2006</ref> .

Note space after html and before "Turner". If you have a problem then put the reference link in the main text with just one square bracket either end of the plain URL, as in: [http://arts.guardian.co.uk/turnerprize2003/story/0,,1102084,00.html ]

If you put 4 tildes ~ after an entry on this talk page, it signs your name and date automatically.
Tyrenius 19:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your advice. Not quite sure about the nowiki business. Perhaps you can help me with it? I will rewrite the section as follows:

Lennie Lee, c.2005[edit]

In February 2005 Jewish artist, Lennie Lee, was censored for exhibiting a piece called "Judensau"(Jewpig) in Treptow Town Hall gallery, Berlin. The intervention was organised by the other artists working in the show who claimed (incorrectly) Lee was one of them. Lee's work was designed to put the institution in a difficult position. If they left it on the wall they would be accused of anti-semitism by their opponents. On the other hand, if they took the work down, they would be illegally censoring the work of a Jewish artist dealing with anti-semitic stereotypes. Catch 22. The authorities were forced to take the piece down, thereby, breaking German laws governing art censorship in the process. The piece attracted considerable attention from the media. Lee offered to remove his "Judensau" on condition that a 14th century sculpture of a "Judensau" was removed from the side of Martin Luther's church in Wittenburg. Martin Luther, in addition to founding the Lutheran church was a well-known anti-semite. His boo "The Jews and their lies" is thought to have had considerable influence on Nazi ideas including the setting up of the concentration camps.

see External Links:


86.143.153.212 23:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tracey Emin[edit]

I think the section on Tracey Emin is worthy of removal:

Firstly, she does not see her action as art. Secondly, getting drunk on TV is hardly worthy of mention. Thirdly, art intervention is not typical of her oeuvre.

This does not give a good idea of what art intervention is about. The 'K' foundation offering money to the Turner Prize winner Rachel Whiteread is a better example. Mark McGowan's media manipulation is also more typical.

86.143.153.212 23:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I put it in because it illustrates the importance of artist definition. If she had stated it was art, then it would have been seen as art. Certainly in the UK it was a significant media event, boosted her career immensely and is still frequently referred to as a milestone, and it is something of a grey area as to whether it is or isn't art, especially as there is the notion that the artist's life is art (particulary in her case). The whole "art intervention" thing can't have an article, unless there is coverage, with examples, of the debate that is integral to it about when something is art, who defines it as such etc. Tyrenius 18:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Christoph Schlingensieff[edit]

Christoph Schlingensieff, the Berlin theatre director, is worth a mention also

86.143.153.212 23:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Luther[edit]

I have removed this about the effect of Luther's ideas on the Nazis: "including the setting up of the concentration camps", unless there is a specific reference, if it is wished to retain it. If the mention is in the cited newspapers, then fine, but I don't read German that well. I'm not sure if it's necessary anyway, but have no objection as long as it's got a verifiable source. Tyrenius 17:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

86.143.153.212 23:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

For Martin Luther's anti-semitism see


Other examples[edit]

Here are some other examples that could be mentioned in the article:

74.131.228.71 (talk) 17:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Intervention art with Art intervention[edit]

I think it's better if we merge these two articles: Intervention art with Art intervention. What do you think? lapsking (talk) 13:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. AnotherJansa (talk) 10:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Boroughs[edit]

"In order to do this she needed clearance letters from […] the City of Westminster, two Boroughs (Chelsea and Kensington, as their boundary bisects the length of the horse)"

Pretty sure this isn't right: Chelsea and Kensington haven't been separate boroughs since the sixties. From looking at a map, I'm pretty sure the two boroughs in question are the City of Westminster (which is a city and a borough) and Kensington and Chelsea, but that's WP:OR, presumably. The two boroughs are listed as Kensington and Chelsea in the source,[1] and it's the magazine of the Royal College of Art, so seems reliable, though I think the articles are contributed by students. Not sure what to do with this! YorkshireLad (talk) 21:13, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "The Red Tape of Red Tape," arcroyal.co.uk Archived 2007-02-04 at the Wayback Machine Retrieved March 22, 2006

Missing something?[edit]

The first sentence defines a topic, but I find no citation in the article of a reliable source that supports this definition as something recognized in the art world. In the absence of such a reference, the assertion that disparate incidents of individual actions that involve "interaction with a previously existing artwork..." as being related, or part of an art movement, would be synthesis, a form of original research. Thus two guys jumping into Tracey Emin's bed and someone taking Damian Hirst's pencils would be random, unrelated events.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 22:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The entire section Other meanings are example of "intervention" with no interaction with existing art, making them either off-topic or additional indication of the lack of a coherent topic.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 23:21, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The book chapter "Art as Intervention" listed in Further reading is about activist art, with no reference to interaction with existing artworks.
This definition on the Tate Modern site appears to be similar, but it is not cited in the article, and provides no examples to differentiate it from performance art, which necessarily interacts with an audience and existing venue.
"The term art intervention applies to art designed specifically to interact with an existing structure or situation, be it another artwork, the audience, an institution or in the public domain"
--WriterArtistDC (talk) 23:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Much better b'art homme 23:03, 24 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)

Auspice[edit]

I feel like "auspice" is the wrong word in this sentence: "It has the auspice of conceptual art and is commonly a form of performance art." However, I don't know the intended meaning of the sentence. I assume it has nothing to do with divine prophecy. Even replacing it with "under the auspices of" would not make much sense. If someone knows what the author intended, please revise the sentence. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 00:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

COI - I am Barry Noel Thomas artist and film maker.[edit]

I've edited in some new content and improved citations.

in 1978 I created an early guerilla art, environmental art intervention in Wellington New Zealand's capital city. The act lasted for six months and garnered much attention through many media including press, radio, TV and our largest art magazine "Art New Zealand". In 2012 my archives for "Vacant lot of cabbages" were purchased by our largest cultural museum and galley Te Papa Tongarewa... the museum of New Zealand/Aotearoa. Does anyone think this seminal event has a place in world green art history being four years ahead of "7000 Oaks" (Joseph Beuys) and "Cornfield" NYC (Agnes Denes) both 1982. I can supply c. 50 citations https://blog.tepapa.govt.nz/2012/11/02/vacant-lot-of-cabbages-documentation-enters-te-papas-archives/ b'art homme 18:52, 24 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)

Barry didn't link to his bio: Barry Thomas (artist and filmmaker). Schwede66 09:55, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Barry, as for the next steps: Wait a few days to see whether anything happens (most editors check their watchlist every few days only). If nobody reacts, post at other noticeboards, asking editors to come here and weigh in, e.g. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts and Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board. You could also draft suggested amendments here in the following style: Change "xyz" paragraph to read "abc", including references. Other editors can then check the suggestion for NPOV and incorporate it into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwede66 (talk • contribs)
The majority of B'art homme's edits on Wikipedia are to promote himself, his projects and project-partners across multiple articles. We've had a discussion on his user talk page about this matter (which was deleted, but is still in page history). The encyclopedia should not be used for promotional purposes. Courtesy ping Schwede66. Netherzone (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest improving the introduction to -

"Intervention art is an interaction with a previously existing, venue, space audience or situation. It can also involve artists and activists choosing art venues to highlight issues. It is a form conceptual art, Performance art, Ephemeral art, Environmental art, Guerrilla art, Street art, Yarn Bombing, Flash mob, Direct action and Activism." Intervention art is associated with the Letterist International, Situationist International, the Viennese Actionists, the Dada movement and Neo-Dadaists. Stuckists have made extensive use of it to draw attention to issues or artworks they oppose. It may attempt to change economic or political situations, a form of putting issues onto the public agenda. It has relations in the democratic world with citizen interventions in the Protest movements, Occupy movement, climate change and extinction rebellion" Although Intervention art is a challenging subversion of the status quo, it is now accepted as a legitimate form of art and is often executed with the endorsement of those in authority. Unendorsed (i.e. illicit) interventions are becoming more common and can lead to societal change and spark debate around public vandalism. In this arena between "Illicit" and "Approved" interventions, public bodies have now created Tactical urbanism to keep a lid on the growing trend toward artists, individuals and groups exercising their rights to expression largely about the commons. [1]b'art homme 02:35, 9 April 2023 (UTC)--b'art homme 02:35, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

b'art homme, Please do not add "good citations" that link to online used-book sales sites like "ThriftBooks" or even new book sales sites for that matter, as you did in the Banksy section. These are not citations at all, and have been removed as well as the associated content was added that was supposedly "sourced" to the book sales sites. Editors need to actually read the sources before adding content, not simply link to an online book store. Please read WP:RS to discover more about reliable sources for the encyclopedia. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 23:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Netherzone, are you sure that what you describe is what's going on? When I look at it, I see a relatively inexperienced editor who doesn't know how to produce a proper citation for books. I don't think that there's any intention of promoting book sales sites; this appears to be simply not knowing about Template:Cite book. Schwede66 06:19, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
COI notification - I have added Vacant lot of cabbages and rADz to "Origins"b'art homme 04:45, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that a new Paragraph be written called "Origins" to start the article adding the many links and other examples of art and citizen interventions that are currently missing. This will evidence the trajectory of intervention as an important social set of changes - especially in the fields of relational aesthetics, democratic rights, art movements. This will improve the article. b'art homme 22:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC) b'art homme 22:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)
That is precisely correct. b'art homme 20:01, 11 April 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)
I have found this solitary mention/ citation for "Concomitant 1983" under "Illicit" - Is it up to standard? -
  1. "Tenerife urban art guide". tenerifestreetart.org. 27 January 2016. Retrieved 10 April 2023.
b'art homme 20:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)
Thank you, I have improved the citation and quotes. COI I have employed Carol Diehl. b'art homme 01:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)

I have added to the Duchamp section linking readymades, fountain to aesthetic revolution in both art and society b'art homme 23:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)

References

  1. ^ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/tactical-urbanism-guerrilla-gardening-and-the-plunger-revolution/OP5XNKQGM7FDZGTJYA765OU4UQ/~~~~

I am keen to start a geographically oriented heading where editors can include other territories.[edit]

New Zealand Intervention artworks: Mealing, Allen, Thomas, The Double standard, WAG, Drummond, Spill, Hunter, Yuen, Crewdson, Artists Co-op, Sydney Biennale, Wells, One day sculpture, Letting Space, Gap filler, Iti, Performance arcade, rADz, Mahon, Anonymous https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/last-post-first-light/79299545/conscientious-objector-archie-baxter-remembered-in-guerilla-wellington-sculpture,Thomas-Edmond. b'art homme 21:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC) I am getting the advice and guidance of Te Papa Tongarewa (Museum of New Zealand) to write the New Zealand Aotearoa Intervention art section.b'art homme 13:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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