Talk:Art Workers' Coalition

Guernica, My Lai

Someone needs to add the Guernica protest, and the Schapiro letter, current exhibitions, and some more references. Probably could be rewritten, also. KP Botany 18:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Translation?

I strongly suspect this article was either roughly translated from some other language, or written by an editor with a rough grasp of English. The phrase and tone seem unsuited to English-language text. (I'm a union man and Quaker peacenik; I know "over-the-top protestese" when I read [or write] it - this isn't it.) --Orange Mike 20:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the insult. I'm not sure what's going on here, but there seems to be some concentrated effort to insult the editor(s) of this article, and to remove it from Wikipedia. I would now like to request an assumption of good faith, and an explanation for what precisely is going on. I do not have a "rough grasp of English" and I don't appreciate your comments. KP Botany 20:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Repeated sincere apologies and proffers of WP:AGF extended - I came here in the first place to see why the article had been attacked, and agree that it has a meaningful place here. --Orange Mike 21:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Further work is needed

Can somebody check source documents and find out whether these are the correct titles? "What Should Be the Program of The Art Workers Regarding Museum Reform, and to Establish the Program of the Art Workers' Coalition" and "Moratorium of Art to End the War in Vietnam" both sound a little clunky, and I'm wondering whether these were the actual titles of the hearing and of the Moratorium event? --Orange Mike 21:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The original names are really chunky, but I was unhappy with the specific source, except for one book, that I did not quote. I don't have time to search now, but these titles do need to be attached to a specific reference. KP Botany 04:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply from original editor

Insults or not, I'm pleased to see the article is of interest. As you might have noticed this is my first article for Wikipedia and I'm not entirely versed in Wikiese. I'm sorry it doesn't meet the standards of "over-the-top protestese" – which I'm not sure it needs – nor, more importantly, standard written English. I now suspect I've been living too long outside of my native speaking country. However, it is not a translation. When I posted it yesterday, I did and still do intend to clean it up. I'm quite aware that it needs a more convincing structure. However, the source documents for the titles are from Lucy Lippard's article and are correct. My gratitude to KP Botany for the astuteness in references and suggestions. I did intend to add information concerning the Guernica protest and My Lai poster which are obviously major events in the Coalition's history and legacy. An important source reference for this is Francis Frascina, "Meyer Schapiro's Choice: My Lai, Guernica, MOMA and the Art Left" in the Journal of Contemporary History Vol. 30, No. 3 and 4 (1995).Deaninkster 09:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for persisting in posting the article, we have some good editors working on it now (Orangemike writes well, and Jimf is a careful copy editor), but keep posting. Thanks for posting the Frascina article as a reference to the relationship with Schapiro.

Yes, the article needs more structure. The titles are what I think sound like "over the top protestese," but I was unwilling to change them because I remember the original titles had a similar sound to my brain. They're unusual enough, though, the titles, that we'll want to tie them to the documents themselves or to a mention of them in the literature on the topic--Wikipedia strives for Standard English and clarity, deviations need to be in quotes and well-sourced, but these can stand for now as is. The article will take more structure as more information and references are added. Again, it's a fascinating topic, and thanks for persisiting in posting it, and welcome to Wikipedia. KP Botany 16:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

"free pubic access"

- 1st para? Possible in those days I suppose. Johnbod 02:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

MUSEUM: Project of Living Artists

In researching Alan Vega one finds that he was involved with the AWC, and that it gave rise to the establishment of the MUSEUM: Project of Living Arts, an alternative 24hr art space at Broadway & Waverly with a grant from the New York State Council on the Arts, which is where Vega did his early light sculptures. This gallery probably deserves an article of its own. If any further info should show up I'd be happy to see it. Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

An additional source

If you're editing this page, you might consider using the material in

• Lorente, J. Pedro (2016-03-03). The Museums of Contemporary Art: Notion and Development. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-317-02353-1.

especially around p. 225.--Carwil (talk) 01:45, 30 March 2016 (UTC)