Talk:Apples and Oranges (song)

UK release date

Nick Mason's book "Inside Out" has a UK release date of 18 December 1967 for this single. (p. 350) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1983a (talk • contribs) 16:53, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Mono vs. stereo mix: ironing out the details

Needledropper and I have been reverting each other's changes. No, it's not an edit war. Let's have a discussion about this before it becomes one.

First, I was the one who added this in July: "Both sides of the single were mixed for stereo, but Columbia elected to release mono mixes instead, since stereo singles were not a standard in the U.K. at that time." I did this because there was a discussion on a talk page where someone either said this, or pointed to an external website which said it, and I decided to add it to the article. Unfortunately I can no longer find where I read this, and didn't provide any citation at the time. You are therefore right to challenge this statement. However, you have said bluntly in edit summaries, "corrected erroneous info about the mono and stereo versions", and "The stereo mixes were never considered for single release, they were future possible LP mixes", and modified the article to say this. But you have provided no citation for this, either. You have replaced one unsourced statement with another. If no citation exists, the correct thing to do is remove both unsourced claims, and just state that stereo mixes were made, but the single was issued in mono.

You also modified the article, twice, to state that the stereo version with extra material is only found on the 40th anniversary CD. I don't have that CD, but I do have the "Masters of Rock" LP. At the end, there is a remark that sounds something like "yeah well all the apples". (This is probably not what was said, and is likely to be as erroneous as John Lennon saying "I buried Paul"; maybe it's clearer on the CD?) If this is the extra material at the end, it is on all stereo mixes. I can't hear anything extra at the beginning; it starts with a four bar intro. But the current article on the Piper article says 40th Anniversary Edition (2007)|this: "The third disc includes ... the 1967 stereo mix of 'Apples and Oranges', which features extra untrimmed material at the beginning and end." So it seems as though there is only one stereo mix of "Apples and Oranges", and it contains the extra material, at least at the end. If there is something else, or something extra at the beginning, I wish someone would elaborate! If the original mono version was really trimmed (and the only way to know for sure would be to hear the original single, or The Best of the Pink Floyd, both of which are rare and too expensive for me), I don't see that this proves they are different mixes, merely trimmings, like the article says. Maybe the CD reveals other differences in the mix? If so, again, please elaborate.

Next, I object to saying the remix of "Julia Dream" was "probably" mixed in stereo later for inclusion on Relics. There is no question that this mix sounds very different from the original, where the vocal in the verses is a single voice. The stereo mix sounds double tracked, although this could be done with effects. But it sounds like the vocal styles Pink Floyd used in 1971, and not 1968, and I believe the remix was done primarily to change the style of the vocals to their then-current sound. The problem is that the article attempts to mention "Julia Dream" and "Eugene" in one phrase. I have no idea if "Eugene" has separate mono and stereo mixes, so the article says it was "possibly" remixed for Relics. I think that's okay, and any further elaboration belongs in other articles. I'm only summarizing the mixes of all five early singles in this article because it ought to be done somewhere, in one place, and I don't know of a more appropriate place at the moment. By the way, in the 1970s, I bought an Italian import copy of "Point Me at the Sky" as a single (probably manufactured in the late 1970s), and was disappointed to find the B-side's original mono mix of "Eugene" was substituted with the Relics stereo mix. ("Sky" was in mono, of course.)

I think that's all for now. I've reverted some things again, took out both unverified claims about why the "Apples" remix was made in 1967, and also removed the "untrimmed material" note until we can decide whether it should refer to the 40th anniverary mix, or all stereo mixes, and hopefully state exactly what this refers to. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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