Talk:Anthropodermic bibliopegy

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Expansion request[edit]

I found out about this subject from the essay listed in the article. There is much more information that could be extracted from it if someone wants to take the time to do it. Also, "antropodermic bibliopegy" Google search

CrypticBacon 20:27, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Book found in Leeds[edit]

"Ancient Book May Be Covered in Human Skin" Interesting story, reads in part "A 300-year-old book that appears to be bound in human skin has been found in northern England, police said Saturday. The macabre discovery was made on a central street in Leeds, and officers said the ledger may have been dumped following a burglary." Need a more stable link than Yahoo! News though, I don't think they keep the articles long. I tried following the link to the police site, but it wasn't loading, too much traffic maybe. Maybe somebody else can find more; I'll look later. Шизомби 05:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added a link to the BBC article to the article already. Richard W.M. Jones 09:49, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, good, although it would be nice to get something about it in the article. In fact, there are quite a lot of links and very little text. I'll have to check them out, they probably all have something that could be added. Шизомби 13:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Human skin lampshades[edit]

While visiting the Central Museum of Soviet Armed Forces in Moscow during Aug 1995, I'm pretty sure the display with items recovered from liberated concentration camps contained a lapshade made of human skin (ar at least tagged as such). Can anyone confirm this ?

I don't know, but I am aware there is film of these objects. The only source I know of for this footage is from traces of death series, and I belive it's in volume one, if not then one of the early editions. It had footage of ilsa's collection which appeared to be around two tables worth of items. This included lamps, books, et c. -BudhaCronX 21:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My grandfather was involved in the clearing of a nhouse after its owners death and found one of these lapshades in the loft, he and another buried it at the local Jewish Cemetary. Cant include it as its my own research. Sheep21 13:36, 23 November 2007

That kind of stuff would probably fit better in a different article, even though it's interesting, since this one's just supposed to be about books and bookbinding. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 22:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to Ilsa Koch's lampshades being urban legend, they are most definately not. There are photos, documentation (Buchenwald Report, official US report on Nazi atrocities), court documentation, court photos, examples in museums and witness accounts of this, all proven, validiated and easily available on the internet for you to see. If this article is regarding book-binding only, then why mention it? If you feel you must, you should at least go with the general consensus on the subject, and that is that they are not an urban legend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.255.133 (talk • contribs)

The external links section of the article includes two reliable sources indicating that Koch did not make books or lampshades out of human skin, one of which explicitly debunks the idea that the lamp BudhaCronX mentions was made from human skin (the bottom two on the page - Cecil Adams and an article in the Harvard Law Review). If you can find reputable sources to the contrary, though, then please feel free to provide them. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, anyone can commission a website stating the contrary, or whatever they like, for that matter. It might be a subject for greater debate on Wikipedia, but why is a reference to some webpage, that could say anything they wanted without fear or retribution, the be-all & end-all of an argument? Seriously, 'straight dope'? And the reference to some unknown called Dan Albam who published his OPINION (clearly stated on said article)in an independent university paper (disregard the stigma of the Harvard name for a sec.) is equally as unconvincing. My side of the argument has far more weight, in my personal opinion. Please discuss? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.255.133 (talk) 15:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • "The Straight Dope" is a syndicated weekly newspaper feature which has been published in The Chicago Reader since 1973, and which runs in several dozen papers nationwide. Plus collected editions published by Ballantine Books, where it was subjected to an extra layer of editorial oversight. As such, it is a Reliable Source, and sufficient proof to verify the claim made in the article. As I stated before: If you can find published reliable sources indicating that the current sourcing is in error, please feel free to provide them. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-- It appears as if someone is using this article to push a holocaust denial agenda. Using some very questionable sources. Nazi skin lampshades and other such items are currently on display at camp museums in Europe. Their existence is beyond question at this stage. Someone may wish to challenge that, however it would require far more than a couple of links to unverified internet sources to even begin to lend credibility to such a position.

As others have said...this article has nothing to do with the holocaust. This whole section needs to be moved to a dedicated article, and be critically reviewed. -— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.134.18 (talk • contribs)

The issue of whether or not human skin lampshades existed is of theoretical interest, but ultimately irrelevant to the subject of the article: bookbinding. I'm removing everything about lampshades and books written in blood and the like. If anyone has reliably sourced examples of Ilse Koch (or anyone else) binding books in human skin, add them to the article, or post them here and I'll add them myself. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 16:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is now a Wikipedia article dealing specifically with Lampshades made from human skin so no need to mention it in this article. Addedentry (talk) 10:34, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Picture - unsure of "copyright" etc.[edit]

I recently visited the Wellcome Collection in London, and took a picture of a book bound in skin. As this article does not have a picture, I thought I'd upload it. However, I am not sure of the licensing etc. associated with museum works, and I don't really know how to put photos into Wikipedia etc. So, any help would be greatly appreciated. I've put the image into commons, and the link is below. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Book_bound_in_skin_Wellcome_Collection.JPG

Mjlcatlin (talk) 11:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Popular Culture[edit]

Does this topic legitimately extend to writings on scrolls of human parchment? If so, the Popular Culture section could be expanded by addition of:

_King_of_the_Murgos_ (Book Two of _The_Malloreon_); Eddings, David Random House, Inc. (Ballantine Books), New York, NY; 1988 ISBN 0-34535880-5

See the final paragraphs of Chapter Four, pps. 76-77 (in paperback).

ChertKiife (talk) 03:25, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dale Carnegie's "Lincoln the Unknown" (written in 1932) most likely does not contain human skin[edit]

Removed:

Some early copies of Dale Carnegie's Lincoln the Unknown were covered with jackets containing a patch of skin from an African American man, onto which the title had been embossed. San Francisco Chronicle

Because it cites a sketchy website, and even if it is correct, I'm not sure it links to the right Dale Carnegie. If "Lincoln the Unknown" was written in 1932, it seems highly unlikely that the book jacket contained a patch of human skin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.6.246 (talk) 12:49, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I re-added the reference to that particular book, since I was able to find an additional print citation in support of it. The additional citation has also been added to the article. The Dale Carnegie referenced in the article is indeed the same Carnegie famous for his writing on self-improvement - there is a free digital copy of Lincoln the Unknown at this link, if you would like to verify that fact for yourself. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 09:46, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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I own a book called Army Life On the pacific by Kip. The book I have is signed on the title pagr by a fellow 2nd. Lt. and he had his copy recoverd in Native American skin. I have researched Dandy's military career and it is entirely possible for him to have had access to skin. Also the human pore pattern is distinct. It can be identified by looking at the cover with a scope. However the process of tanning the skin destroys the DNA so it is impossible to determine the gentic make-up of the skin.

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Seoul National University[edit]

The equivalent article in the Japanese Wikipedia links to the announcement of an exhibition at Seoul National University Library apparently including an anthropodermic binding. The exhibition appears to have been called Tradition Encounters the World and celebrated the 60th anniversary of the University. Can any speakers of Japanese or Korean shed light on this? Google Translate suggests that it may have a connection with the East India Company. Addedentry (talk) 14:10, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Census of examples[edit]

I've begun collecting examples with specific library catalogue references where possible in my user page sandbox Addedentry (talk) 21:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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