Talk:Amanda McKittrick Ros

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NPOV dispute[edit]

The opening paragraph is worded pretty subjectively, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.199.7 (talk) 23:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thought so too, so I cut the offending bits. I don't personally have any time for the cult of Ros, and I don't think that it can be, or has been, seriously argued that her work is so bad that it in some way transcends itself and acquires a "quasi-Joycean literary value", whatever that means. I think she was just a drearily awful writer, and the fact that she thought she was a great one is sad, not funny. Julia Moore and William McGonagall, by comparison, seem to have been shrewdly aware of how good they weren't, and they seem to have played it for laughs. Ros, who was by all accounts a cantankerous snob and a bigot, foamed at the mouth with rage when she got bad press. Incidentally, I doubt that she is now more famous than Barry Pain, who was at best a minor comic writer but a more gifted writer than her, and who was championed by George Orwell on more than one occasion; also, I think that Pain is still in print, unlike Ros. (Also, Pain's bad review of Ros' work is more fun to read than an entire novel by Ros.) Lexo (talk) 00:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ros or Ross?[edit]

Which is it? Both spellings are used in this article!

It's Ros. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. There was non-trivial history at the target location; those versions with their GFDL info now exist in the history back at Amanda McKittrick Ross, which is now a redirect. -GTBacchus^(talk) 09:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

Amanda McKittrick Ross → Amanda McKittrick Ros – Ros with one 's' is the correct spelling; however, of two duplicate articles, it was the one with the correct spelling that was turned into a redirect. Hopefully they can just be switched. Antaeus Feldspar 02:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

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Support The Paragon of Prose Personified deserves no less than her own preferred orthography of her august cognomen.... Robertissimo 04:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Add any additional comments

I'm a little puzzled. Both pages have significant histories. Is one version of the article preferable? In particular, is the version currently located here at Amanda McKittrick Ross prefered to the version at Amanda McKittrick Ros just before it was made into a redirect? If so, I'd be happy to switch the two articles, but I'd like to be clear first that's what people want. Clearly the article needs to be located at the correct spelling - the question is, which of two articles should be there? -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this edit seems to be the merge of this two articles, so we currently have a merged version here. Therefore, it seems to me that Amanda McKittrick Ross should be moved to Amanda McKittrick Ros. --Dijxtra 09:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Huxley quote[edit]

It's not terribly clear where the Huxley quote ends... we have an opening quotation mark, but not a closing one. Does his text quote hers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.42.161.36 (talk) 02:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the first is quoted by Huxley, and the second by Page (though the second is not within quotation marks, since it is simply referenced). --V2Blast 01:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sheer joy[edit]

Can I just say how much I enjoyed this article. I hope it continues to develop and give us others as much enjoyment. The tone is just right and the quotations are among the funniest things I've read in years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjwells53 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Public Domain[edit]

Shouldn't her work be in the public domain by now? Does anyone know if it's available online? I'd love to read the stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.116.59.28 (talk) 08:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, she lived in the UK, and according to Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, it's seventy years after the death of the author, and copyrights last until the end of the year they expire in. If she died in 1939, by my reckoning, it hadn't expired when you asked, but it's expired now. Probably nobody's gotten around to digitizing it, though. --70.89.115.6 (talk) 10:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the "clay crab of corruption"[edit]

The article currently states that,

"Ros retorted in her preface to Delina Delaney by branding Pain a "clay crab of corruption", suggesting that he was so hostile only because he was secretly in love with her."

However, searching in the 1898 edition of Delina Delaney at Google Books yields no such phrase; rather, the preface seems to be a set of bizarre self-referential remarks. The 1936 edition of Delina Delaney available at the Internet Archive is the same.

I am thus doubtful of the authenticity of the Pain rebuttal. It could very well be a hoax.

Evidently, given that the claim has been on Wikipedia for over 15 years, and that the date at which it initially appeared is unclear due to the merging of two pages, secondary sources from the Internet are unreliable on this matter. If the phrase "clay crab of corruption" actually can be found in an edition of the work, then this edition should be referenced. Otherwise... 38.34.76.148 (talk) 01:52, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase first appeared here in this edit, dated April 8, 2006, which says that Irene Iddesleigh "was reviewed by humorist Barry Pain who sarcastically called it 'the book of the century.' Ros retorted by calling Pain a 'clay crab of corruption.' " I suspect the phrase may be from Bayonets of Bastard Sheen, which is full of contumely directed at her critics, and some later editor conflated it with her takedown of Pain in Delina Delaney. I've attempted a fix. Ewulp (talk) 04:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]