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Possible POV[edit]

I've commented out the qualifications "horrific and indiscriminate" referring to the violence exerted at the ESMA. While it was surely horrific, I think that's an emotional word that does not belong here (besides, descriptive words like "torture" and "concentration camp" already deliver the message). And "indiscriminate", in the strict sense, seems wrong and positively POV-pushing. I don't want to fall into the infamous pro-military justification, algo habrán hecho ("they must've done something"), known to all Argentinians, but I would not state flatly that people were kidnapped "indiscriminately", i. e. at random. This would imply that the goal was not subversion control, but simply terrorizing the general public with the idea that anybody could disappear, at any time. If there is serious research showing evidence of that, it should be referenced here (and of course everywhere else, as in Proceso de Reorganización Nacional and Dirty War). --Pablo D. Flores 12:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Usually "indiscriminate" is used because of the military ends-justify-measures policy of kidnapping family members or friends of presumed montoneros and keept abducted for several weeks, and also tortured, only to gain information about the location of the terrorists. Perhaps it should be better explained. -Mariano 14:31, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to mention when he was born. This page has a date but (a) I don't know if its correct and (b) I would rather point out flaws in Wikipedia than help it.

Where does he live?

Last thing I knew, he's under arrest in the Zárate Naval Base, and some were asking that he and the rest of the military accused of Dirty War crimes be moved to regular prisons so they don't take advantage of their contacts in the Armed Forces. [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pablo-flores (talk • contribs) 20:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Wasn't he locked up in the Tower of London briefly after his capture during the Falklands war? If so, well worth mentioning - its dungeons are among the world's most famous and historic.

I highly doubt that the Tower of London is used to house prisoners any more. I think Hess was the last one 60 years ago. Darkmind1970 09:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

Many sites have photos of this argentine.Examples: [[2]] and [[3]] Agre22 (talk) 00:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)agre22[reply]

Image:Astiz.jpg|thumb|Astiz's military insignia displayed in the Imperial War Museum, London: is of a Petty Officer, NCO, or "SubOfficial 2ndo" (and diver) so it can't be Astiz's unless he purposely changed his Lt Commander's insignia for this Petty Officer one at surrender; but because he surrendered on behalf of his men, this seems unlikely. The one on the right is a parachutes badge which both officers and NCO's wear and is typically worn by "Buzos Tacticos" most off all so it may well have belonged to Astiz, who was a "buzo tactico" at the time. Chuckarg33 (talk) 03:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilian newspaper[edit]

The Brazilian newspaper Gazeta de Alagoas has an article about this Argentine in this site: [Alfredo Astiz].Agre22 (talk) 13:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)agre22[reply]

Surrender[edit]

"but Astiz insisted on signing a surrender document for himself and his small band even though they were covered by the surrender of his commanding officer. The face and name of Alfredo Astiz was, incorrectly, splashed over the world media as the commander of the garrison on South Georgia. This publicity led to an erroneous Rambo-like image, but soon caused problems for Astiz."

How does surrendering without firing a shot give him a "Rambo-like image ?" 81.157.243.82 (talk) 19:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Falklands War - name of damaged submarine?[edit]

It is stated: "British forces successfully attacked and disabled the Argentine submarine ARA San Luis. The photograph of the sunken submarine in Grytviken harbour became one of the iconic images of the conflict." According to the respective articles for the two Argentine submarines the San Luis was the active threat to the British and survived the war, it was the Santa Fe that met an early end at South Georgia. I have therefore edited this section.

.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_San_Luis
.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Santa_Fe_%28S-21%29

94.173.207.102 (talk) 22:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Linking to Spanish Language Sources[edit]

Currently there is some difficulty here because many sources for Astiz are in Spanish or French due to Astiz being Argentine and tried by a French Court. Because many are, for the time being, I've added some to get by for now but they should be replaced if English language sources become available. Meanwhile I guess that people can always use Google Translator or similar to read what the Spanish Language source says. If there is a serious problem with this then I wont bother with adding Spanish language sources off course. My idea is for a temporary solution here until better sources are found.Wombat24 (talk) 21:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good plan - with other context, Google translator can get a reader pretty far along.Parkwells (talk) 01:09, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Better Spanish language sources than none, still are few citations in the article. Regards, DPdH (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Needs balance[edit]

The article is unbalanced because there is such a lengthy discussion of the law journal article on what Britain could and couldnt't do (or did and didn't do) when it held Astiz as a prisoner of war. This is really out of proportion to the more important events that he was responsible for in Guatemala during the Dirty War, and needs to be trimmed down and summarized somehow.Parkwells (talk) 01:08, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Family[edit]

Who are or were his parents? Were they native Argentinians? Did he have a wife, children? Deipnosophista (talk) 16:32, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]