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That GA review above...[edit]

Is everything now addressed? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:48, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's why the template at the top of the page says "Alf Ramsey has been listed as a Sports and recreation good article under the good article criteria." Woot!! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ace. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

FAC to-do list[edit]

As we push on now towards FAC, I'll create and update a to-do list. With GA done, it should be relatively straightforward. He says optimistically. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I share that opimism. Standards are at an all-time low around here, this is going to be a cakewalk. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Check all sections of copy for style, citations for claims, balance
Review for comprehensiveness
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FAC

--Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:26, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Probably need a sympathetic ear for most of this, we can't see the wood for the trees. I'm sitting with my 90-year-old Grandad right now who knew Alf well, so my opinions aren't NPOV enough for most of this...! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Check all sections of copy for style, citations for claims, balance[edit]

In terms of balance, the story breaks down as follows:

1920-1938: 4 parags for 18 years (Early life)

1939-1946: 6 parags for 6 years (War time)

1947-1949: 7 parags for about 3 years (Portsmouth)

1949-1955: 15 parags for 6 years (Tottenham and England)

1955-1963: 6 parags for 8 years (Ipswich manager)

1963-1974: 19 parags for 9 years (England manager)

1974-1977: Nothing at all

1977-1980: 3 parags for 3 years (Later mabagement)

?: 2 paragraphs (Later life and death)

Reflections... I think it's mostly about right. This is a very rough and ready way of looking at the balance but it's useful because one thing stands out a mile to me. I suggest that there is far too little about his time as Ipswich manager. The numbers suggest that a better balance would be about 15-16 parags on the subject, a substantial expansion. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, do you have any sources useful for expanding the section on ITFC managament? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:56, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm very lucky, I'll have a quick look when I get home if I make it through the day. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Main page date[edit]

January 2020 will be the 100th anniversary of his birth. That gives us plenty of time to get this done! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

After England[edit]

Hope you don't mind, but I've expanded the After England section a bit, to include what he did between England and Birmingham, as well as a bit more detail on his Birmingham career. Contemporary sources make no mention of his leaving for health reasons. Please feel free to trim/rearrange/remove at will. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Omg, Struway2, I don't mind at all. Please feel free to throw yourself into this! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:45, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Eton Manor[edit]

Recent additions have Ramsey as “manager” of Eton Manor F.C.. Based on the one added reference of limited detail, this is questionable as other refs^[1] have him as merely doing some coaching.--Egghead06 (talk) 05:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. From his biography Winning Isn't Everything by Dave Bowler, p. 107: he "began to coach non-League Eton Manor on a part-time basis". It was later described as Ramsey's first "rung on the managerial ladder" but part-time coaching does not equal manager. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Jeff Jones (15 February 2020). East End Born and Bled: The Remarkable Story of London Boxing. Amberley Publishing. pp. 214–. ISBN 978-1-4456-9498-6.

[Jones2020-1] Jeff Jones (15 February 2020). East End Born and Bled: The Remarkable Story of London Boxing. Amberley Publishing. pp. 214–. ISBN 978-1-4456-9498-6.

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