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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that although the bat Myotis alcathoe was only described in 2001, it is now known to range widely across Europe?
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Sources to be checked[edit]

I don't have access to the following sources right now:

  • Agirre-Mendi, P.T., García-Mudarra, J.L., Juste, J. and Ibáñez, C. 2004. Presence of Myotis alcathoe Helversen and Heller, 2001 (Chiroptera: Vespertilionidae) in the Iberian Peninsula. Acta Chiropterologica 6:49–57.
  • Brinkmann, R. and Niermann, I. 2007. Erste Untersuchungen zum Status und zur Lebensraumnutzung der Nymphenfledermaus (Myotis alcathoe) am südlichen Oberrhein (Baden-Württemberg). Mitteilungen des Badischen Landesvereins für Naturkunde und Naturschutz 20(1):197–210 (in German).
  • Dietz, C., von Helversen, O. and Nill, D. 2007. Handbuch der Fledermäuse Europas und Nordwestafrikas. Kosmos, 399 pp. (in German).
  • Helversen, O. von. 2004. Myotis alcathoe v. Helversen und Heller, 2001 – Nymphenfledermaus. Pp. 1159–1167 in Niethammer, J. and Krapp, F. (eds.). Handbuch der Säugetiere Europas, Volume 4: Fledertiere, Part II: Chiroptera II (Vespertilionidae 2, Molossidae, Nycteridae). Wiebelsheim, Germany: Aula-Verlag, pp. x + 605–1186 (in German).
  • Jourde, P. 2000. Louche est le 'Cantalou'. L'Envol des Chiros 2:6 (in French).
  • Ohlendorf, B. 2009. Aktivitäten der Nymphenfledermaus (Myotis alcathoe) vor Felsquartieren und erster Winternachweis im Harz (Sachsen-Anhalt). Nyctalus (n.s.) 14(1–2):149–157.
  • Ohlendorf, B. and Funkel, C. 2008. Zum Vorkommen der Nymphenfledermaus, Myotis alcathoe von Helversen & Heller, 2001, in Sachsen-Anhalt. Teil 1: Vorkommen und Verbreitung (Stand 2007). Nyctalus (n.s.) 13(2–3):99–114 (in German).
  • Ohlendorf, B. and Hoffmann, R. 2009. Nachweis der Nymphenfledermaus (Myotis alcathoe) in Rumänien. Nyctalus (n.s.) 14(1–2):110–118.
  • Ohlendorf, B., Francke, R., Meisel, F., Schmidt, S., Wolton, A. and Hinkel, A. 2008. Erste Nachweise der Nymphenfledermaus Myotis alcathoe in Sachsen. Nyctalus (n.s.) 13(2–3):118–121 (in German).
  • Prüger, J. and Bergner, U. 2008. Erstnachweis der Nymphenfledermaus (Myotis alcathoe von Helversen & Heller, 2001) in Ostthüringen. Nyctalus 13(2–3):115–117 (in German).
  • Ruedi, M., Jourde, P., Giosa, P., Barataud, M. and Roué, S.Y. 2002. DNA reveals the existence of Myotis alcathoe in France (Chiroptera: Vespertilionidae). Revue Suisse de Zoologie 109:643–652.
  • Sauerbier, W., Schorcht, W. and Hörning, L. 2006. Erstentdeckung der Nymphenfledermaus (Myotis alcathoe) in Mitteldeutschland. Beitr. z. Kyffhäuserlandschaft. Veröffentlichung des Regionalmuseums Bad Frankenhausen 20:58–60 (in German).
  • Schorcht, W., Inken, K. and Biedermann, M. 2009. Die Nymphenfledermaus (Myotis alcathoe von Helversen & Heller, 2001) im Kyffhäusergebirge/Thüringen (Mammalia: Chiroptera) – Aktuelle Kenntnisse zu Vorkommen und Habitatnutzung. Vernate 28:115–129 (in German).
  • Schunger, I., Dietz, C., Merdschanova, D., Merdschanov, S., Christov, K., Borissov, I., Staneva, S. and Petrov, P. 2004. Swarming of bats (Chiroptera, Mammalia) in the Vodnite Dupki cave (Central Balkan National Park, Bulgaria). Acta Zoologica Bulgarica 56:323–330.
  • Skiba, R. 2009. Europäische Fledermäuse. Die Neue BrehmBücherei 648 (in German).

I'm listing them here for convenience. Ucucha 14:19, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-FAC review[edit]

Haven't checked ref formatting yet... I may do that later. The following should keep you busy for a few minutes :) Sasata (talk) 00:02, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "… its known distribution has since expanded to Spain, England, Sweden, and Azerbaijan, among other countries." Why are these countries being singled out for mention in the lead if it's in other Euro countries as well? Giving boundaries I suppose. Still, it's short in comparison to how long that section is in the article.
    • The lead is somewhat expanded now, but I don't think there's much more to be said about distribution.
  • "… usually reddish brown above and brown below." hyphen for reddish brown, and Nikkimaria's point about above and below was a good one; I pass by this phrase without really thinking about it because I'm familiar with it now after reading so many of your articles, but I think it might be confusing to fresh readers.
    • Done.
  • "M. alcathoe has a very high-frequency echolocation call, which terminates at a frequency of about 43 kHz." Can you remove the second mention of frequency like so "… which terminates at about 43 kHz."? And I'm unfamiliar with bat calls… does it "terminating" imply that the call starts out at a different frequency? (Having read more, I see that this is true… but it should probably be explained for the lead)
    • Clarified.
  • link deciduous forest or (old-growth forest); canopy
    • Done.
  • the lead could be longer; how about including its mass and wingspan
    • Expanded.
  • "German zoologists O. von Helversen and K.-G. Heller" other scientists in this section are given by their full name
    • They weren't in the source, so I had to find another one. Lazy me. Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Although it also differs from other species in the group" what is "the group"? The genus?
    • This refers to the "M. mystacinus group", which is not a natural group but rather a set of species that look very much like each other, but are not closely related. The species relevant to this article are M. alcathoe itself, M. brandtii (which is only distantly related, as it is actually closer to American Myotis than to other Eurasian species), and M. mystacinus, but there are others that also look almost the same, and generally are also a taxonomic mess. I've now used the term "whiskered bats" consistently to refer to any member of this group. Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • link haplotype
    • Used "sequence" instead, which is probably more precise (both groups comprise several slightly different haplotypes). Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "(separated by 1.3 to 1.4%)" specify sequence variation (if that's what it is)
  • "The fur is brownish, with a reddish tone in old specimens, above and a slightly paler gray-brown below." The "above" seems out of place, wouldn't it work better right before the first comma?
    • Changed.
  • How long are the hairs on the underside of the body?
    • Not recorded.
  • link gland
    • Done.
  • "lighter on the in- than the outside." The MoS prefers that we don't use hanging hyphens.
    • Yes... Using a hanging hyphen seems more natural to me, but I've changed it here.
  • "The baculum (penis bone) is about 0.5 mm long and has the sides well developed." "well-developed" -> (hyphen) I can't really image the difference between a well-developed and undeveloped bone… does the former have more ridges and protrusions or something?
    • My virtual collection of the interiors of bat penises doesn't seem to include any M. ikonnikovi or M. brandtii (the species alcathoe's baculum is compared to), so I can't be sure, but compared to the baculum of Myotis annamiticus, it seems that it's mainly just narrower in alcathoe. The next sentence already says that, so I've removed the phrase. Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • link cusp
    • Done.
  • "… differs from both M. mystacinus and M. brandtii in the pattern of active nucleolus organizer regions on the chromosomes." any more details you could give about this without getting too technical?
    • It will probably get quite technical, and is not of much relevance, since I doubt anyone still cares much about NORs. None of the sources I have go in any detail; Volleth (1987) probably does, but I don't have it. Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • link ms
    • Done.
  • link kHz (in lead too I guess)
    • Done.
  • "The high-pitched call may be an adaptation to the animal's occurrence in dense vegetation." please explain how
    • Well, high frequency means short wavelength, and therefore presumably better orientation in a complex landscape. However, the source does not go into any detail. Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • link tibia
    • Done.
  • gloss alluvial forest
    • Done.
  • the adjacent Croatian and Czech Republic distribution sentences start out conspicuously identical.
    • Reworded.
  • "The species was recorded around 2009." What does this mean? We're not sure, and it might have been 2008 or 2010?
    • The source said it was "recently" recorded. I don't especially like the current wording either, but couldn't think of anything better.
  • "it was realized that this bat represents" passive voice
    • Is that problematic here? I can think of some other wordings, but all just seem to add verbosity. Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A large number of sites is known," -> are known
    • Fixed.
  • "widlife" spelling
    • Embarrassing.
  • what's a karst landscape?
    • Linked.
  • "230 to 670 m (755 to 2198 ft)" one too many sig figs in that last #
    • Also in the first one, actually. Corrected.
  • link fluvial
    • Replaced with "riverine".
  • swarming site - needs link here rather than later
    • Done.
  • link protected area
    • Done.
  • any link for radiometric tracking?
    • I might have accidentally invented that term... used telemetry now, as the (German) source does.
  • "800 m (2624.7 ft), 935 m (3067.6 ft), and 1440 m (4724.4 ft)" sig fig post-conversion discrepancies
    • Fixed.
  • "tend to have a much larger action radius." sounds like bat jargon to me :)
  • link to Regional Red List (for Germany); habitat loss
    • I'd prefer not to link the Red List, since the individual red lists seem rather confused; linked habitat loss. Ucucha 01:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
@Ucucha and Sasata: Amazing article. I noticed there's a red-link (interwikilink to article that doesn't exist) to alluvial forests (forests near river). If it's appropriate to substitute a link to Riparian forests (which is a more general concept than, but includes, forest-near-river, just throwing that out there for consideration, because there is a wikipedia article for Riparian forest. I'm definitely not qualified to make the judgment. Thanks for the article!G1729 (talk) 06:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a page via iphone[edit]

How do you set up a new entry / page? Mifijacobs78 (talk) 17:49, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Country list[edit]

The long list of countries seems very non-standard (WP:Embedded lists), it would look much better being placed in prose paragraphs. FunkMonk (talk) 10:47, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On the Wikipedia in French, we converted the list into a table (see here); that could be an option. Totodu74 (talk) 07:29, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looks much better to me. --FunkMonk (talk) 11:16, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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