Talk:Agnes of Eltham

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This article was nominated for deletion on 18 January 2014 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Untitled[edit]

A search of the contents of the first source cited, Jeffery Hamilton's THE PLANTAGENETS, showed no mention of Bridget of York or of Agnes of Eltham. I question citing that as the source for the allegation that Agnes was Bridget's daughter.

I cannot find an online source for Dale Hoak's article "Rehabilitating the Duke of Northumberland: Politics and Political Control, 1549–53," but as that article focuses on the time of Edward VI, some 30 years after Bridget's death, I wonder if there is anything more than a passing reference to the allegation in that article.

It appears to me that this article is largely speculative and needs better source citations and, perhaps, a discussion of the evidence in favor of the allegation.

Auntiebook (talk) 07:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have the Hoak article. It says absolutely nothing about either Agnes or Bridget. I have edited the article on Bridget to remove the unsupported allegations about Bridget's out-of-wedlock motherhood and to add information from other sources, but since I know nothing about Agnes, I can only echo Auntiebook's sentiments that the article about Agnes needs revision. Boswellbaxter (talk) 06:57, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

April 2023[edit]

I suggest breaking up the article into subsections as it seems a bit big for one section. LostInHistoria (talk) 22:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General Structure[edit]

·The second sentence added to the first paragraph (A nun who was the daughter or Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville) - is a fragment. I'm also not sure what it's referring to.
·Agree - please break up article into subsections
·Check language around Adam Langstroth (He fought beside Lord Clifford with whom her fought)
·I'm confused about the nunnery. Are you making a connection as to why Agnes was orphaned there? I'm confused about the timeline. It seems that some material or points are repeated.
AFineClaret (talk) 17:21, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agnes Rogers[edit]

Alongside adding subtitles to break the information, I think Agnes Rogers could use her own section with a bit more information about her as she seems to have been Agnes of Eltham. Also naming the book that the quote is from in this section would be helpful. Vcgmu (talk) 03:34, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Organization[edit]

Hi! I suggest adding some headers to organize some of the information. That way, if someone wants to come read the article to find specific info, they won't have to read the whole thing to find what they're looking for. AlwaysSleepy4 (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fine Tuning[edit]

I agree with a lot of the other people above. I think the article could benefit from the use of subsections and some grammatical revisions. The first two sentences could be changed to "Agnes of Eltham (1498–1530) was an English woman. She was allegedly the illegitimate daughter of Princess Bridget of York, nun who was the daughter or Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville." Right after that it says that Bridget of York is her mother. Since this isn't confirmed, less definite language should probably be used. NocturnalAudax (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recommendation[edit]

You did an awesome job with this article!! The only recommendation I have is adding a link to the word Dominican, so that it is more clear what that means. Notarealperson2 (talk) 19:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]