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The Adrian helmet was also worn and preferred by British Prime Minister Winston Churchill (along with the pith helmet) during his visits to the battlefield during World War II.[citation needed]?[edit]

I have never seen a picture of Winston Chuchill in an Adrian helmet nor can I find one, can someone find some evidence or get rid of it (Fdsdh1 (talk) 04:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC))[reply]

There are, to my knowledge, two photographs of Churchill wearing an Adrian. Here's one: http://landships.activeboard.com/t28146311/churchills-adrian/ I think the problem is that this sentence should read "during World War I," not "during World War II." I don't believe the Adrian was his "preferred" headgear. The likeliest explanation is that on a visit to French HQ he put on an Adrian as a novelty. I haven't heard the story of his near-arrest, and should be interested in the source. Hengistmate (talk) 21:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes it should be World War I. It is well documented that Churchill did wear an Adrian helmet in 1915/1916, while serving in France as C.O. of the 6th Royal Scots Fusiliers during his post-Gallipoli political demotion. Partly for the practical reason that British "Tommy" helmets were not available until late in 1916 and partially because Churchill did tend to seek the limelight. The uniform of the French general is that of 1914-18, not 1939-40. I will dig out a reference and amend the "trivia" entry accordingly. Buistr (talk) 00:35, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. The first Brodie (British) steel helmets were issued, in limited numbers, in September 1915. According to Nicholas Rankin (Churchill's Wizards: The British Genius for Deception 1914-1945) Churchill's battalion received its allocation of 500 on Jan 24th, 1916. Churchill was posted to 2nd battalion, Grenadier Guards for one month's training (December 1915-January 1916) and then to Royal Scots Fusiliers, 5 January to 6 May 1916. Rankin states that Churchill was presented with an Adrian by a French general on December 5th, 1915, obviously during his service with the Guards. There is also a painted portrait of Churchill wearing the Adrian. Although he wore overseas helmets of various designs during his time in India and Africa before 1900, he did not wear a pith helmet during WWI; that is confusion with WWII, when he on occasion sported a "Bombay Bowler". Regards. Hengistmate (talk) 12:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for this detailed and sourced additional data Hengistmate. I have taken the liberty of using it to update the "trivia" item. Please amend if I got anything wrong. I took out the spy anecdote - good yarn but the original contributor has not provided the supporting reference requested years ago. In fairness he may no longer be around on Wikipedia. Regards Buistr (talk) 19:27, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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This is model M15 on the photo. The M15 was introduced in 1915 and was widely used all over the world (f.e. USSR to 1936 or Polish cavalry and artillery in 1939). Model 26 does not have the connecting hoop between the peak and "pot" and the leather filling is mounted on 8 rivets (4X2) - not on the sinous tin like M15 (notice that some M15 were changed into the rivet ones (4 single rivets). The M26 was used by France in the war and later was used by the German forces (police etc.). Some of them were used during the Warsaw Rising in 1944 and by the National Railway Guards (Straż Kolei Państwowych) in Poland early after the war.

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weight[edit]

The Brodie helmet article says that it weighed 0.54Kg, significanly less than the Adrian helmet. This conflicts with what is stated here. Can anyone clarify the article(s)?

Spanish Republic: People's Army and International Brigades[edit]

And after the Spanish Civil War (1936-39) French-made captured Republican Adrian helmets (and Italian-made models from the CTV -Volunteer Troop Corps-, Italian units in Francoist service) saw limited service in the Spanish Army.

"http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/espana/esadri.htm" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.148.202 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Austria-Hungary and Austria[edit]

Captured Italian Adrian Helmets in 1915-1918 . It was used as well by the Austrian army in the Interwar period (and by Austrian right-wing militias -like the Heimwehr- before the German Nazi annexation in 1938).

"http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/austria/austri17.htm" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 11:58, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP Note[edit]

I've reviewed this for WP:POLAND and I don't believe it is important enough to be included under that project. Milhist Polish task force is enough.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 21:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian Usage of Adrian helmet?[edit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHKmX8sB14U, 1:45.Shah Reza seemed to have adopted Adrian as it shows up during princess Fawzia's wedding Procession. Please check out, someone who know french or Persian. PhilaSiti (talk) 12:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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