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In the table, the Canadian subdivisions are shown with gestational limits, with a note saying that they are set by professional regulations. The note cites two sources that mention the limits, but they don't clarify whether these limits are simply due to availability or actually mandatory regulations. Previously when Canada was discussed here, I provided sources about the professional guidelines in Quebec and Alberta, which did say that they were mandatory. However, in 2022 the College of Physicians of Quebec removed the gestational limit for abortion pills and removed the abortion guidelines from its website altogether;[1] the abortion guidelines from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta are no longer in its website either; and one of the sources cited in the table has a note from 2022 suggesting that the information there may be outdated due to the increased use of medical abortion (pills).[2] Therefore, there is no longer any source citing a provincial regulation that imposes gestational limits. There are also conflicting sources regarding the limits in some provinces, which suggests that they may vary simply due to availability.
Based on these developments, I suggest removing all subdivisions of Canada from the table, then either change all of Canada on the map to purple, which indicates an unclear limit, or set all columns of Canada in the table to "no limit" and accordingly change all of Canada on the map to light blue. Any comments? Heitordp (talk) 06:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moxy: This source is already cited in the table, but it doesn't clarify whether these limits are from mandatory regulations, which medical providers are supposed to follow at the risk of losing their licence, or simply reflect the limits that providers individually decide to establish for their own services. If it's the latter, I don't think that these limits should be in the table. Heitordp (talk) 05:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Vietnam is actually another country with no legal limit. People keep repeating that 22-week limit, but I can’t find the source of that claim. There seem to only be two Vietnamese laws on abortion, both of which are just about prohibiting unqualified people from performing abortions on others while ensuring that women have the right and access to abortion, with no limits mentioned.
I noticed that someone recently edited the article on “Abortion in Vietnam” to state that abortion is “legal at all stages of pregnancy” there, but someone else changed it back to saying there’s a 22-week limit, even though I don’t see any source for that, only this source with the laws I mentioned: https://reproductiverights.org/maps/provision/vietnams-abortion-provisions/
Also, I have to say that I don’t think the “unclear limit” category is a good option to use at all. Not only because it’s really failing to provide any useful information, and could make it seem like abortion isn’t accessible at all since bans could restrict abortion even before actual pregnancy begins and “unclear limit” leaves that as a possibility despite us knowing that abortion is widely available on-request in Canada, but also because “unclear limit” is stating that there is a limit when there doesn’t seem to be. 2600:100A:B1C6:8A24:38C9:23EC:678:CFB4 (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources for all countries are cited in the table in the article. For Vietnam, the table cites the health law made by the parliament[3] and the guidelines made by the Ministry of Health.[4] Article 44 of the health law, which is also shown in the link that you cited, says that abortion is allowed on the woman's request, but that medical providers are prohibited from performing abortions unless permitted to do so by the Ministry of Health. Therefore, the law allows the Ministry of Health to impose some restrictions. Indeed, page 401 (407 in PDF) of the guidelines from the Ministry of Health defines abortion as the termination of pregnancy up to 22 weeks, and page 49 (55 in PDF) says that after 22 weeks the pregnancy may be terminated if there is an indication such as fetal abnormality. The latter case may be broad, but it's not merely by the woman's request. Accordingly, the table shows "permitted" in all columns except the last one (on request), for which it shows "22 weeks".
The "unclear limit" category is only for abortion on request, so it does provide useful information, namely that the jurisdiction allows abortion on request at least for some portion of the pregnancy. This portion cannot be zero. No jurisdiction sets a gestational limit before pregnancy begins, this doesn't make any sense. Jurisdictions that ban abortion on request do so by restricting it to certain circumstances, such as risk to life or fetal abnormality, or by prohibiting it completely.
It seems that in Canada there is really no law or regulation imposing any limit, so it can be shown with "no limit", but the "unclear limit" is still useful for some jurisdictions where the sources are conflicting or not clear. For example, there are sources saying that mainland China allows abortion on request, but also that it restricts it to certain cases, without explaining what they are. Other examples are South Korea and the Mexican state of Coahuila, whose courts ordered the legislature to allow abortion on request with some gestational limit, but the legislature hasn't defined the limit yet. Heitordp (talk) 07:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Abortions made in the third trimester are very rare procedures but in any case, there isn't a legal limit on abortions in Québec. If a doctor refuses to give an abortion, he must redirect you to one who will. see for instance https://educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/abortion/
As noted elsewhere, the Collège des médecins abolished any guidance that could have restricted abortions.
Reading the table, I'm coming to the conclusion that Québec has forbidden abortions for its residents after 24 weeks. However, recent policy has been to allow those abortions to take place, although in US hospitals with public funding by the Québec government. This table therefore seems erroneous and for Québec, it should simply be noted that it is permitted. Whatever restriction exists is regarding services offered and not legal constraints.
I'm not aware of legal restrictions in other provinces . so I won't comment on them. Lpsavoie (talk) 03:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That source is about services offered and not about legal limits though. The article doesn’t have any source that would back legal limits because I don’t think they exist: barriers to access come in the form of services that are offered and not from regulations AFAIK. Lpsavoie (talk) 02:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that the current colors are really unbalanced, as abortion on request is shown in blue rather than green. Maybe a different set of colors could be used, but not grayscale, because the map needs to contrast 12 categories. Also note that the map is used in hundreds of articles so it would require a lot of work to change all the legends. Heitordp (talk) 16:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Request for correction: France was not the first to constitutionally protect abortion rights[edit]
One could instead say that France is the first country that currently exists today to constitutionally protect abortion rights. Strawberrymilc (talk) 22:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest moving this sentence to the history section, or just removing it altogether. The introduction of the article is not the appropriate place to mention trivia, especially if it's not easily determined. Heitordp (talk) 05:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s not correct. The sentence in the introduction of this article says “In 2024, France became the first country to *explicitly* protect abortion rights in its constitution.” And Yugoslavia did not *explicitly* protect abortion rights in its constitution: It didn’t use the word “abortion” at all.
The article you linked itself says “Stating that “it is the right of a human being to freely decide on the birth of children,” Yugoslavia’s constitution did not explicitly guarantee abortion, as France’s does.” 2600:100A:B1C7:AB43:282A:B2DD:4B4C:332E (talk) 06:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that Denmark is liberalizing its abortion law in multiple ways, including one which would require this article to be edited: It seems that the limit for on-request abortions is about to or has already been moved from 12 weeks to 18 weeks, which would require both the table and the map to be edited to reflect this change. 2600:100A:B1C9:E654:51F0:B875:EFAC:CE3B (talk) 10:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the news. The government only announced an agreement with the political parties, but the parliament will still have to pass a law, and it is expected to enter into force on June 1, 2025.[5] The article and map should be changed only at that time. Heitordp (talk) 16:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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being used from Talk:List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_fertility_rate#RFC_style in many articles. Should the map's colors and keys be changed to have a more "neutral" perception? Maybe more grayscale. 207.96.32.81 (talk) 16:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)