Talk:2023 New South Wales state election

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Splitting proposal

I propose that the section about the pre-election pendulum be split into a separate page called Pre-election pendulum for the 2023 New South Wales state election. This page is set to grow over the coming months and the pendulum is sufficient to carry an article as it does for 2019 and 2015. -DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:44, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@DilatoryRevolution: No need for discussion, split if you want. All the precedent supports this. Onetwothreeip (talk) 07:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Go for it. Micmicm (talk) 12:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Bankstown as in One Nation?

Has it actually been reported anywhere that Mihailuk is now a One Nation member of parliament, rather than merely running for One Nation in the next election? I think we should be going off the Legislative Assembly website which still lists her as an independent. There is precedent in George Christensen at the last federal election. If there are no objections I will revert the recent changes. J2m5 (talk) 11:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Objection. She IS an MP for One Nation. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 11:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Can you provide evidence that Mihailuk is not merely running for the Legislative Council for One Nation, but instead has become an MP for One Nation for the rest of the duration of her term? On her page on the official website she is still considered an independent. Anything except a media source which specifically says she is not merely running for the LC under One Nation but rather additionally is serving as a One Nation MP is WP:OR. Let's have this discussion without edit warring. Furthermore you said in your edit synopsis that "You didn't discuss it on the talk page, you put a message and said you'd revert it." I waited three days and there was no response, which I took as a lack of objection. Once again, let's have this discussion in good faith. J2m5 (talk) 04:04, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

An additional point, the infobox for some reason is now totally out of line with past NSW elections. Why are last election results, seats and %, grouped together? J2m5 (talk) 03:50, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I believe the issue with Christensen was that he switched parties after the House of Reps had already been dissolved. In this SMH story Mihailuk is described as a "Labor turned One Nation MP". I'd be inclined to describe her as One Nation as there can sometimes be a lag with official parliamentary profiles. ITBF (talk) 07:07, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

This point has ended up becoming redundant, as as of 1 March 2023 Mihailuk has resigned from the Legislative Assembly. J2m5 (talk) 12:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Maps of new electorates

Just wondering if there's anyone able to update the maps of electoral districts on their respective pages? Meowxr (talk) 04:34, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Meowxr: Done that —twotwofourtysix^{(talk || edits)} 14:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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Group A ?

What's "Group A" and "Group U" in the result table ? Aréat (talk) 03:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Landslide?

Much of the media is calling the result a "landslide to Labor". Given that minority government or a hung parliament are still possibilities, what definition of "landslide" could they possibly be using? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 07:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia should be very reluctant to respond to media rolling commentary. The media seeks to generate excitement. Wait for considered sources.

Looking at Landslide victory#Australia, the smallest landslide listed is 2014 Tasmanian state election, where the winner won 15 out of 25 (60%) of the seats, “landslide” cited to a source published 12 days after the election. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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Seats changing hands

I think there should be consistently around what seats are considered to have changed hands. Before the election, both Drummoyne and Kiama were notionally Liberal seats held by independents. The article's table shows Drummoyne as independent before the election and Kiama as Liberal. At the election, Drummoyne was won by a new Liberal candidate and Kiama was won by the incumbent independent with both seats listed as "changing hands". Either we judge the election according to the incumbent MP and remove Kiama from the "changing hands" column (arguably, we could also add Bankstown and Leppington) or judge it according to its notional margin and remove Drummoyne from the column (we would also need to remove Heathcote). I don't have a preference but including both Drummoyne and Kiama doesn't make sense. DilatoryRevolution (talk) 06:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I've added Drummoyne back and removed Kiama because there's a difference between the two. Kiama was held by a Liberal who became an independent (Gareth Ward), who subsequently won it at this election. Drummoyne on the other hand was held by a Liberal who became an independent (John Siddoti) but was won at this election by a Liberal candidate (Stephanie Di Pasqua). Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 12:09, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

"There's a difference between the two": Yes, that was the entire thesis of my first comment. What point are you trying to make? The rest of your comment seems to just repeat the contents of my comment. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 14:00, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

As per my first comment, I'm fine with removing Kiama and keeping Drummoyne and judge the seats according to the incumbent MP but we'd need to add back Heathcote which had a Liberal incumbent. As I said in my first comment, we'd need also to consider adding Bankstown and Leppington, which changed incumbents (from One Nation/Independent and Vacant respectively) at the election. Consistency is key regardless of the metric chosen. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 14:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I added Bankstown before but someone removed it. I added it back and then it was removed again. Leppington is a new seat, so it doesn't need to be included (otherwise we'd also need to include Badgerys Creek, Kellyville and Winston Hills). Heathcote should be added back too, although the note should be kept because redistribution made it a notional Labor seat. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 23:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)