Talk:2023 Estonian parliamentary election

Independent members pre-election

The article says that there were 4 independent MPs before the election. This is somewhat misleading, since two of them were members of parliamentary parties, but not formally members of their party caucuses because they had switched parties after the 2019 election. They presumably still voted with their new parties. The two were Raimond Kaljulaid (Kesk -> SDE) and Anastassia Kovalenko-Kõlvart (SDE -> Kesk; she was never an MP for SDE but become one after joining Kesk due to an SDE MP becoming a government minister). The other two (Martin Repinski and Mihhail Stalnuhhin) were genuinely independent in the end, due to respectively leaving / being expelled from Kesk. This could use a footnote. Could also use another footnote explaining how Parempoolsed ended up having an MP. Ideally, there should be an article like et:XIV Riigikogu detailing such changes in party affiliation. Abc347834 (talk) 18:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Serial vandalism by Vacant0

Over the last few days, Vacant0 (User:Vacant0 whose editorial record on Wikipedia indicates strong pro-Serbian and pro-Russian nationalist, Putinist, and also historically pro-Soviet bias) edited this article on numerous occasions. Their contributions range from minor technical edits and introduction of weasel phrases (e.g. Russian "invasion" instead of "war" in Ukraine, "Russian minority rights" instead of "Russian nationalism" as the ideology of United Left Party-Koos/Together, etc.) to outright vandalism: for example, inserting clearly wrong information on the Estonian electoral system (e.g, claiming that 75 seats are distributed differently from the other 26 seats), and reverting other editors, who have tried to correct the factually incorrect edits by Vacant0. Regardless of the motivation behind your frequent vandalism and disruptive behaviour, User:Vacant0, may I suggest that you, as a sign of good faith, refrain from editing any content in this article for the time being. Feel free to check the grammar and reformat the images, that is, improve the quality of Wikipedia if and when you can. 91.200.117.76 (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

P.S. For Russian paid operatives (and other "professional trolls") on social media the main purpose of activity is to detour people into time-wasting debates that do not address the logical and natural topics of discussion, all the while pounding home Moscow’s incessant "core message". 91.200.117.76 (talk) 23:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

References

If you want to talk about good faith, then you should not accuse someone of something that they are not, in this case this is "pro-Serbian and pro-Russian nationalist, Putinist, and also historically pro-Soviet bias". I personally do not hold these views but what matters on Wikipedia is to follow NPOV, so if you have any proof for these "biased" edits, which I can tell you there are none, please post them here. You can actually look at my editing record and what I've written over years here instead of making accusations like that . Regarding "minor technical edits and introduction of weasel phrases", citations mostly use the word invasion in regards to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Eesti Rahvusringhääling only seems to use the word war in this article, while regarding "Russian minority rights", you rather seem to refer to the Estonian United Left Party article, as Russian nationalism on this article is still present and I'm not objecting it as this claim is backed up by a reliable source. I've already explained the reason why I reverted your edit on Estonian United Left Party in the edit summary and I've even told you to read WP:HIJACK. It is clear that you've copied the note from this article to the Estonian United Left Party article, though you've also removed Russian minority politics from the infobox. Next time, you should read sources more closely:

• Ref 4: "Besides these five established and three lately emerging parties there are a couple of minor political parties, the Greens (as already mentioned) and the ethnic-Russian United Left Party.": There is no mention of the party being nationalist in this source and it only mentions that it is an ethnic-Russian minority party.
• Ref 5: "That is why the Estonian United Left Party positioning itself as a representative of Estonia’s Russian-speaking population": Again, there is no mention of the party being nationalist in the source, instead it states that it is a representative of the Russian-speaking population in Estonia.

This is a clear example of hijacking sources. Parts of this article were partly translated from Estonian and French Wikipedias, which you can see at the top of this talk page, including the section about the electoral system, which was taken from the French Wikipedia. Editors can always correct incorrect information, which they have done, and regarding the "reverting other editors, who have tried to correct the factually incorrect edits by Vacant0" part, you should look at the edit history more carefully and read edit summaries. I've had to revert to the last LGV because of your edits (it was a coincidence that an editor corrected information after your edits). I've reinstead User:BananasAreViolet's edits (see here: 1, 2, 3) after the revert to LGV. It is correct that I've written much of this article, and actually everybody's free to contribute to this article, but you have kept persistently adding unsourced content to the article (removing far-right from EKRE, which is backed up by reliable sources, and adding far-left for the Estonian United Left Party, for which there is not a source, adding unsourced content to the first paragraph of the article, which I've partly re-instated in the article with a source and re-added the content in the lede and not in the first paragraph as it is not an overwhelmingly important information regarding this election for it to be included in the first paragraph of the article, more source hijacking). I've warned you because of this, not so that you would feel bad, but instead so that you would learn that you have to add reliable sources in the same edit or in the edit following the one where you've added content. The comments I've left on your talk page are merely helpful so that you would learn what not to do in the future if don't want your edits to be reverted. I do not possess any bad faith motivations behind my edits, otherwise I would not have even expanded this article at the first place, as my intention was to get this election article to the Main Page asap, because election article need to posses high quality in order to be featured on Wikipedia's main page. Vacant0 (talk) 22:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

What a bizarre set of accusations by the IP. "Russian invasion" is stronger than "Russian war" because it clearly states that Russia is the cause of the war, rather than being pro-Russia. Having seen Vacant's edits on numerous countries' articles, the accusations are nonsensical, and you should withdraw them. Number 57 22:54, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Number 57: I know that you were involved in some SPI cases, so can you check this one out? It's been open for 9 days. It would be helpful if you can leave your comment there regarding the case, as no admin/clerk/checkuser have commented yet. Cheers, Vacant0 (talk) 18:28, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

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Isamaa on Ukrainian Refugees Citation Needed

The article states that "EKRE and Isamaa pledged to not accept any new refugees[38][39]." However, on reading those sources, I see no evidence that Isamaa has made such a statement. In fact, source 39 states "Only the nationalist EKRE has expressed concerns about accepting more Ukrainian refugees and sending weapons to Kyiv, arguing that it is undermining national defence." Source 38 makes no reference to Isamaa. I recommend removing reference to Isamaa in this sentence. Either it is unsourced, or just inaccurate. I've read searched for evidence of Isamaa making a statement to this effect on my own, and have turned up nothing. That said, I would prefer an expert on Estonia make the change, rather than me. Or at least would like someone else to double check. 168.150.104.51 (talk) 00:55, 24 January 2024 (UTC)