Talk:2022 Ukrainian prisoner of war beheading

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Expand scope to both videos[edit]

Two videos of beheaded Ukrainian soldiers were released on April 2023. Many sources discuss them together and we probably should do the same. One video is not more notable than the other (though this one was more brutal and received wider coverage for it), it does not make sense to have an article on one video and not on the other and having two separate articles for each is probably not desirable. The title of such an article could be April 2023 beheaded Ukrainian soldiers videos, however this implies the videos are from April 2023 and one is from the summer of 2022. This is a complicated case. Super Ψ Dro 17:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe not. Now that the victim of this video was identified the notability of the case feels more clear to me. Super Ψ Dro 07:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Where does the Z in name Szerhij comes from? Ukrainian name is Сергій, which would make it Serhij. Or no? --LeeMarx (talk) 09:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pataki was ethnically Hungarian, and the article title uses his Hungarian name, where it is spelled with “Sz”. HappyWith (talk) 15:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would be great to get that info into the article aswell. LeeMarx (talk) 20:01, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely. There's actually already some material about this deep in the "Investigation" section, but I think it would be better to split that stuff off into another section called "Victim", similar to that in Execution of Oleksandr Matsievskyi, to make it easier to find. I don't have time to do that now, with all the rewriting that would be needed for flow and clarity, but I welcome anyone else to make the change. HappyWith (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is worth noting that Pataki being the victim has not been confirmed yet. This is something I found out only after I made the move and changed the links to this article. An error from my part. Hopefully I am not contributing to misinformation and offending Pataki's family. I deeply apologize to them if such is the case.

Using his Hungarian name might also be presumptuous as in an interview Pataki's sister (I think) said he always spoke in Ukrainian and we actually lack sources explicitly saying he was an ethnic Hungarian other than some low-quality Hungarian tabloids repeating what the first reports said. Not that I made up this name as it was the only one present in English-language sources (most from Hungary) at the time. Super Ψ Dro 21:07, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would assume that means we should move it back to the previous title, no? HappyWith (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's not the procedure we took with Shadura. But I can't be opposed to the fixing of my mistake so if you wish to you can. I have been waiting for a few days for more info on the matter so as to not have to change links and info in other articles again but nothing has been showing up. I do expect an official Ukrainian declaration as some official said they know who are the perpetrators. But if it takes too long moving back is probably the best thing. Super Ψ Dro 19:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved it back since no new information has come up. Super Ψ Dro 08:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm from Hungary, in my country the topic got a relatively large media coverage due to the likely ethnic Hungarian background of the victim. Our sources use the ,,Szerhij" form, see for example here:^[1] ^[2] A Hungarian newspaper usually working only on issues involving celebrities, Blikk made an interview with a friend of Pataki, who got pictures from the perpetrators about the severed head, made by the phone of the victim. ^[3]

References

^ Attila, Tóth-Szenesi (2023-04-21). "Csecsenek fejezhették le a kárpátaljai Szerhij Patakit". 444 (in Hungarian). Retrieved 2023-05-06.
^ Gergely, Nyilas (2023-04-21). "A kárpátaljai Nagyszőlősön élt az a katona, akit orosz fogságban fejeztek le". Telex (in Hungarian). Retrieved 2023-05-06.
^ Zoltán, Vajta (2023-04-21). "Magyar származású katona fejét vágták le a csecsenek – Sokkoló fotókat kaptak a gyilkosoktól Pataki honvéd ismerősei". Blikk (in Hungarian). Retrieved 2023-05-06.

Summer part[edit]

Could someone add this a source for the summer part? https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/11/europe/beheading-videos-ukraine-intl-hnk-ml/index.html THEREALhistoryandgames (talk) 15:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[:0-1] Attila, Tóth-Szenesi (2023-04-21). "Csecsenek fejezhették le a kárpátaljai Szerhij Patakit". 444 (in Hungarian). Retrieved 2023-05-06.

[:1-2] Gergely, Nyilas (2023-04-21). "A kárpátaljai Nagyszőlősön élt az a katona, akit orosz fogságban fejeztek le". Telex (in Hungarian). Retrieved 2023-05-06.

[:2-3] Zoltán, Vajta (2023-04-21). "Magyar származású katona fejét vágták le a csecsenek – Sokkoló fotókat kaptak a gyilkosoktól Pataki honvéd ismerősei". Blikk (in Hungarian). Retrieved 2023-05-06.

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