Talk:2022 Belgian Grand Prix

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Contested deletion[edit]

This is going to happen in 2022 so is not useful now.

This page should not be speedily deleted because it isn't a test page. I just wasn't paying attention and accidently redirected a page to itself. And that's not a reason for speedy deletion. It will be useful should anyone want to look up the 2022 Belgian Grand Prix (a contracted event).
SSSB (talk) 23:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possible trivia[edit]

The event is due to see five former Belgian Grand Prix winning drivers enter the event So what? This seems like WP:TRIVIA to me, and has no importance on the event itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't violate WP:TRIVIA, because this is properly integrated into the prose, not a trivia section, or list. What this could violate is WP:NOSTAT, which targets "Statistics that lack context or explanation [which] can reduce readability and may be confusing;" - I would argue that the information about previous winners is fine in the way it is currently written and presented. I would also note that several of our good articles indulge in this sort of info too. SSSB (talk) 11:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As the contirbutor who added it I consider it statistical info not trivia. MKL123 (talk) 18:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What importance does having 5 previous winners have to the race itself? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "WP:IMPORTNACE" (which is relative, and subjective) of information isn't a metric we use to decide if information should or shouldn't be on Wikipedia. SSSB (talk) 12:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shows you who to look out for and who might get a strong result there. MKL123 (talk) 09:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We are not a fanguide.T v x1 19:14, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Track image[edit]

It needs an update. The circuit consists of 19 corners rather than 20. Island92 (talk) 21:28, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pole[edit]

The relevant regulation has changed...

It has also been confirmed that for statistical purposes the accolade of pole position will be awarded to the drive who sets the pace in the qualifying session.

Inavolbe (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Its not a sprint weekend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hulkjasmin (talk • contribs) 16:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

see the second image Inavolbe (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than indulge in WP:OR via image interpretation, read the text of the article you cited, which says Sainz is the pole-sitter. You might also want to look at the official F1 website. SSSB (talk) 19:12, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Verstappen claims pole for Belgian Grand Prix for statistical purposes, Sainz will start the race on pole position with grid penalties applied. One does not preclude the other. There is confusion now, we will change it in a few days. We will see who was right. Inavolbe (talk) 19:41, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but then why was Verstappen given the pole award? Something doesn’t add up here. T v x1 19:33, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is not important, Hamilton had also received the pole award at the 2021 Turkish Grand Prix. Inavolbe (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No he didn’t. He merely signed a message on it for Bottas. T v x1 20:24, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hamilton did receieve the pole trophy, but gave it to Bottas (of his own voliation) as Bottas actually had pole. The pole trophy goes to the driver who is first in qualifying (based on what I read in Tvx1's source). The reason it is called the pole trophy, is (most likely) because pole is usually synomous with fastest qualifier, and "fastest qualifier trophy" is a mouthful.

The stance has always been that "pole for [...] statistical purposes" is the driver who starts the race from pole (with the exception of sprint weekends.

In case you want more evidence that this is the official stance: "Max Verstappen has previously lost a pole due to a penalty" and "Carlos Sainz grabbed a second career pole position" SSSB (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Round 14 - Belgium: Max Verstappen, Red Bull
2021 Round 16 - Turkey: Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes

Inavolbe (talk) 22:59, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As the article I previously linked to establishes, Hamilton handing over the trophy in Turkey was not a voluntary thing, but an official thing he was forced to do. He should never have taken that trophy in the first place. As Ivanolbe has shown, Bottas is officially listed as the trophy winner that weekend. And that's a clear difference from what's happening now.

Something clearly changed with the 2022 season. Prior to this season, the trophy was always awarded to the actual pole-sitter, if necessary with penalties applied. Sprint weekends were the only deviation, when a different "Speed king" award is awarded to the winner of the sprint. This Belgian Grand Prix is the first where the trophy winner does not match what we claim to be pole position.T v x1 07:01, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think your source estabalishes this at all, but this is moot as Inavolbe has shown that Bottas is officially creditied with the trophy. The problem with an unofficial trophy (it's not mentioned in the regs) is that we don't know the criteria for who is awarded the trophy. It's clearly changed from last year, but has it changed beceause the rules of who is credited with pole has changed (there's no evidence of this)? Or has it changed becuase they decided to award it to the fastest qualifier, regardless of who has official pole?

We follow what secondary sources say. The only source found that credits pole to Verstappen is an unofficial trophy whose regulations are unclear, that's not good enough. SSSB (talk) 08:09, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you ask me the whole qualifying was a farce. Allowing six drivers who were penalized with a back of the grid start anyway to drive pointless laps in qualifying and affect the other drivers' performances is just ridiculous. And to cap it all off, they give the pole trophy to driver who was never eligible for pole position to begin with, because he broke the PU rules and gained an illegal performance advantage as a result. T v x1 15:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Qualifying is always a farce, when they queue at the end of the lap. SSSB (talk) 16:31, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

qualifying positions[edit]

Didn't Gasly start from the pitlane, so should qualifying positions for all those behind Gasly move up a slot on the qualifying start grid? Not sure Koppite1 (talk) 18:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. His necessity to start from the pitlane came after the grid was declared final. His slot was left vacant. Qualifying results were not affected. T v x1 20:02, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]