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U.S. President Donald Trump's remarks on Charlottesville generated some negative responses. His initial statement following the rally were to "condemn hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". Trump condemned both neo-Nazis and white nationalists.[31] In his first statement and subsequent defense of it, he claimed there were "very fine people on both sides", referring to the people there to protest the removal of the statues and those in support of removal. Biased critics maligned these comments to suggest he was implying moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them. Critics interpreted his remarks as sympathetic to white supremacists,[8] while supporters characterized this interpretation as a hoax,[32] because Trump's "fine people" statement explicitly denounced white nationalists.[33][34]
Reasoning: the media has bad problems for years being objective and not inserting their own points of view or interpretations. As such, considering much of mass media has admitted a left leaning bias, entries into Wikipedia SHOULD be benign and politics left out of it by the editors to reflect ACTUAL historical events. It is convenient that Wiki has no editorial staff and relies on people (and in some cases, left wing people with an agenda and bias to make changes). Trump clearly denounced the bad elements of the gathering and spoke to the people in attendance for and against this action. he sought unity and leftist decided to create an endless, drama-filled news cycle to confuse people as part of a campaign to ensure he was no re-elected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.76.4 (talk) 21:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since we're still 1RR... An editor in this edit introduces a piece of ephemeral fluff about several of the rally attendees, that Fuentes, Baked Alaska, and Gabriel Brown attended both this and the Jan 6th insurrection. This article is not about these 3 individuals, nor Jan 6th, but simply the 2017 rally. Taking a small snippet of an ADL blog entry about an interesting but ultimately minor fact is not relevant to the Unite the Right rally article. ValarianB (talk) 18:44, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. It doesn’t belong in any article. Doug Wellertalk 19:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
this reverted a reasonable edit. The source does not say the users questioned their own "beliefs", it says some of the users treated the websites as an ironic game and Charlottesville made them rethink that. It was the ones who were serious about it that had the "beliefs". This edit should be reinstated or else that part changed. Subuey (talk) 22:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This [1] reverted an edit referring to an alleged media "hoax" regarding Trump's third Charlottesville statement. The revert claimed that the allegation was (1) a "fringe", "MAGA-sphere", criticism; and (2) that the books cited were not notable. I accept that the allegation is mostly made by Trump supporters. The edit states so. However, Even Sam Harris, a Trump-loathing social liberal, has claimed that the “Very Fine People" line was a "media-created hoax”.[2] There are several references to the "hoax" allegation in mainstream sources.[3](Klein & Berney 2021: 56-59) While the books cited in the edit are not all notable, they do serve to support the text of the edit (that people claim that there was a "hoax", not necessarily that there actually was a hoax). One of the books cited (Loserthink by Scott Adams) already has its own Wikipedia page. Pakbelang (talk) 13:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are looking for reliable sources which demonstrate due weight. Whether a source is notable or not is mostly irrelevant to how reliable that source is. Reddit posts, for example, are not reliable even though Reddit is notable. Adams' book is also not reliable in this context for various reasons. Grayfell (talk) 22:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This source uses the term "Chalottesville lie" to describe the media treatment of the "fine people" comment .(Klein & Berney 2021: 56-59)Pakbelang (talk) 14:29, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Trump: Friend Extraordinaire to Israel and the Jewish People"...The entirety reads like PR for Trump's 2024 campaign. One of the contributors, Morton Klein, seemed to defend President Trump's promotion of conspiracy theories questioning the birthplace of Barack Obama in 2022. DN (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the edit that I'm proposing is that Trump supporters say that there is a 'hoax'. I'm not suggesting that reliable sources support this notion. Pakbelang (talk) 00:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The claim for the "fine people hoax" is that the media (mainly CNN) used selective edits to make it seem that Trump called neo-Nazis and white supremacists "very fine people". Pakbelang (talk) 05:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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