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Should {{2017 railway accidents}} be added to this article? Mjroots (talk) 13:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It does not seem like an accident, maybe create a category called 2017 railway incidents? lovkal (talk) 13:20, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do not rush to create anything please. I removed the railway template from this article + removed this incident, and a bombing in India from the actual template. That template is for derailments and such, not terror incidents, so please do not confuse the two. And in general before adding and creating, discuss first! Skycycle (talk) 13:23, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Skycycle: - per the B part of WP:BRD, adding first is fine. I added, you did the R part, so now we are at the D part, which is why I asked the question above. If the template doesn't get added, then it's no big deal. Mjroots (talk) 13:43, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a more general discussion about this issue at WT:TWP. Mjroots (talk) 13:47, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and yeah, I agree with that. Skycycle (talk) 18:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While there's currently a heading about this - should the navbox be a footer template, rather than the current setup? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About suspects[edit]

Coffee Why did you revert my edits? A 22 yr old from Kazakhstan and a 23 year old from Kyrgyzstan aren't the same. All reports should be mentioned and the source Fontanka doesn't say he was the definite attacker. It clearly identified him as a suspected suicide bomber terrorist. The name should be avoided until a definite identity is established to avoid wrongful victimisation. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 23:55, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MonsterHunter32: I've explained the reasons for my edits at your talkpage. And we do not censor the names of individuals once governments officially release them, as the Russian government has done here. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 23:56, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Coffee: I don't see anywhere in the source as Russian government identifying him as the definite attacker. Per Wikipedia policies we should avoid undye harassment. And the source called him a suspect. Read the last line of the Fontanka article yourselves. Also you are accusing me edit-warring when I haven't reverted. Your reasons make no logic. You cannot call someone with different age and country as the same. It takes two to edit war. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 00:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Names are going to be thrown around in the news in the days to come. Wikipedia should avoid getting caught up in that. For example on the RT it says that : Meanwhile, Kazakhstan denied that one of its citizens was behind the blast, as some media reports had alleged earlier. “Earlier, media had reported that a Kazakh citizen, Aryshev Maksim, born in 1996, was allegedly involved in the blast. I want to say that this information is not true,” Nurgali Bilisbekov of Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee said. CaribDigita (talk) 08:29, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm referring to RT TV news coverage of the attack, which is a direct mouthpiece of the Russian government. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 00:04, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron11598 You've equated one report with another in your edit. The Fontanka source used for the Kazakh man only says he is a suspect. Telegraph has reports stating the suspect was a 23 yr old from Kyrgyzstan, not the same. Equating and combining reports on your own shouldn't be carried out. It won't harm anyone to wait for some time for the attacker's identity to be firmly established. Also you removed some important details. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 00:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Coffee I have seen no such source and we refer to sources here. Regardless there is still only a suspect per sources. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 00:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and @Coffee:, here's another source clearly saying there is a suspect and it is a 23 year old Central Asian, not 22: [1]. It even states that the 22 year old Kazakh could be a victim and not the attacker. You haven't checked the sources at all. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 00:30, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Let's try to not use news aggregators as reliable sources, mmkay? — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 01:02, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki is NOT the news - this section is borderline BLP violation, and is so 'recent' that it is completely not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Wait until tomorrow - there is no rush to document this. Get it right. HammerFilmFan (talk) 00:40, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey User:Coffee stop edit-warring right now. Multiple users have changed these edits and you are inserting your own view now. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 01:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It hasn't happened yet and might not this time, but remember that Amaq News Agency claiming the attacker was a soldier of the Islamic State answering a call to kill the coalition is never the same as the Islamic State claiming it did, knew about or inspired anything. So it's no excuse for us to claim something of the sort (though still slightly better than literally nothing.) InedibleHulk (talk) 11:28, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I made some additional edits to help clarify. The very first name that was released was indeed that of a 22 year old from Kazakhstan. This individual was a student and had been reported missing, and it ended up that he was a victim of the attack. This persons name was mentioned in many articles and some of them still reference his name, however others have made the correction since then. I used an article as a source that was specifically written about his misidentification. At one time this Wikipedia article also had his name as the suspect. It would probably me a BLP issue to mention his name as being misidentified, and it doesn't really add much value to do so, so I just some additional info to try to clarify it. MeropeRiddle (talk) 22:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Background[edit]

A background section would do well with the mention of the Metro Jet attack in egypt and Syria involvement, perhaps?Lihaas (talk) 09:16, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Lihaas: - I removed such a section earlier because it was empty. No objection to such a section with referenced content. Mjroots (talk) 09:40, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Both these examples were outside Russia and connected to ISIS. There's currently no connection in this article, so it seems to be an original analysis. It would make sense to include other attacks in Russia. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 09:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added a very small background section and referred readers to Terrorism in Russia then in the See also section I added a small number of additional large/ very well known terrorist incidents that have occurred. MeropeRiddle (talk) 00:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gett[edit]

I don't understand why this article needs an advertisement for car-sharing companies. This is not relevant and would never be found in any encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.255.108 (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an advertisement in any sense. Those are just plain facts, confirmed by a variety of sources. Cheers, FriyMan ^talk 17:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am not debating the factuality, even though the only source provided is an article that consists of material reposted from Social Media, which further mentions free public transit, as well as free rides from various other taxi services (YandexTaxi, etc.) Rather, this information is out of place.

IMHO, the two companies listed seem to have been singled out mainly because they target an English-speaking audience; they are not major service providers in Saint-Petersburg, as far as I can judge from personal experience. Compared to the rest of the paragraphs in this article, this information is far less important. Imagine reading a similar paragraph in an Encyclopedia Britannica article. I cannot bring myself to a mindset where this belongs here. On a personal level, I find this extremely inappropriate. 128.112.110.117 (talk) 02:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC).[reply]

Akbardzhon Dzhalilov[edit]

There seems to be an alternative spelling of his name which should be acknowledged: Akbardzhon Dzhalilov — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.58.48.19 (talk) 02:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 June 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Simplexity22 (talk) 18:25, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Saint Petersburg Metro bombing → Saint Petersburg train bombing – Puts it into consistency with articles like Parsons Green train bombing or Grdelica train bombing - using a generic 'train' term rather than 'Metro'. Also there's no disambiguation, so no year is necessary. Gateshead001 (talk) 21:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose more likely that the others should be at Underground or metro, and again we use the year for terrorist attacks In ictu oculi (talk) 07:57, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Articles like Manchester Arena bombing and Parsons Green bombing originally had years, but they were removed as it was deemed unnecessary - the same way I feel about this article and others I've RM'd. --Gateshead001 (talk) 10:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I choose to oppose because WP:COMMONNAME. MayMay7 (talk) 08:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The media would always have different ways of naming it. Some use the official Metro term, whilst some American media have called it a Subway. 'Train' is neutral per language and is a generic term. In fact this supports COMMONNAME well, see 1961 Vitry-Le-François train bombing, or 2004 Madrid train bombings for example. --Gateshead001 (talk) 10:54, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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