Talk:2011 Greek uprising

Merge discussion[edit]

Should it be merged with 2010-2011 Greek protests? I've spent an awful lot of time on that article covering the events of May 25-present, and this article does not give give any additional information about the protests. The 2010-2011 Greek protests article is -by far- more informative. Also, I think the title 'uprising' is a big of an exaggeration. --Philly boy92 (talk) 16:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree 100%. Until the protests turn violent, which one should hope they don't, or until it becomes a coordinated attempt to change the government, this does not qualify as an "uprising". Constantine ✍ 13:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should merge the part of 2010-2011 Greek protests, that deals with the Greek "Indignados" movement, with this article, into a new one. Seriously this movement has nothing to do with the other protests taking place since 2010, which are in fact happening in Greece for the last 40 years... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnymanos arc (talk • contribs) 13:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, they still fall within the "2010-2011" category, why make a new article about it? --Philly boy92 (talk) 22:40, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They certainly fall within the 2010-2011 category because the root of these protests is the same: the economic and political crisis and the opposition to austerity measures. That people stay in Syntagma and do not simply riot or have protest marches is a different form of protest, but the issue they're protesting about is the same. The "Indignados" movement did not come about in a vacuum, it has to be seen in context. Constantine ✍ 06:10, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Protests in Greece against the economic and political situation are taking place for the last 40 years as I said. Trade Unions always react like that when the Greek government is trying to impose austerity measures. The economic crisis of 2010 was just another incident on what's taking place for decades now. If you think otherwise, then you clearly have no knowledge of Greece. I can provide hundreds of references with large protests from 2005, 2003 or even 1997 etc. against the political and economic situation, organized by the same trade unions and political parties. No one in Greece speaks of a specific movement that started in 2010. On the other hand, the Greek "Indignados" movement is sth entirely new. The people who organise it and their demands (or lack of) makes it unique — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnymanos arc (talk • contribs) 12:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some links for protests taking place in 2009 against austerity, as well as the economic and political situation of the country: http://news.pathfinder.gr/photoscope/greece/news/7811.html,http://www.gsee.gr/news/news_view.php?id=1186, http://syrizaeydap.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/%CF%83%CF%85%CE%BC%CE%B2%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%8D%CF%87%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CF%80%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B7-%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%81%CF%84%CF%85%CF%81%CE%AF%CE%B1/ All of them organised by the same trade unions and political parties as in 2010. And their demands are exactly the same. I personally see nothing different in the 2010 protests. The economic crisis just exacerbated sth that's taking place for 40 years now. On the other hand there was no Greek Indignados movement before 2011. In fact this movement arose partly in opposition to all those protests by traditional trade unions and parties (since the Indignados consider them corrupted). I seriously think the Greek Indignados need a separate article, where you could mention some historical facts about traditional protests in Greece, and claim that the Greek Indignados arose as a reaction to them. But labelling them in the same article with GSEE protests is entirely wrong and misleading — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnymanos arc (talk • contribs) 12:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The question is: why does this merit a separate article, and one with the title "uprising"? That GSEE and the parties are corrupt is news to no one, there have been protests not controlled by them before. I've been in all kinds of protest marches myself, although I've never been affiliated with any political grouping. The sit-in is a different form of protest, it is more massive, but one cannot separate the ongoing protests (including GSEE-sponsored marches and "traditional" strikes) from what has been happening in the country in the past few years. If you want a separate article to focus on the Greek Indignados, fine, but it will have to be titled accordingly. Constantine ✍ 12:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstood my comments. I agree that "2011 Greek uprising" as a title was wrong and I supported its deletion. I just said that the Greek indignados need a separate article and that's all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnymanos arc (talk • contribs) 12:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. --Dweller (talk) 15:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. And yes, I am just a random person on the net! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.157.101 (talk) 08:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]