Talk:1969 EC-121 shootdown incident

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Call Sign[edit]

A Willy Victor website states that the call sign was "Deep Sea" two-one, which would logically follow the aircraft codes. Do we have a reference for the "Deep Sea 129" claim? Mark Sublette (talk) 10:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 10:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spy Plane?[edit]

What, a Wiki article about American military intelligence that doesn't mention the "s" word? Jmdeur (talk) 23:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, when America does it it's "reconnaissance".--Jack Upland (talk) 11:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

Is "shootdown incident" the best title? The grammar is incorrect. I suggest changing it to "1969 EC-121 downing".124.197.15.138 (talk) 03:47, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Correct aircraft in photo?[edit]

A reader contacted Wikimedia noting that the aircraft in the article is a PR-22 while the one involved in the incident is a PR-21.

I do not have the subject knowledge to make the change, can someone look into it?--S Philbrick (Talk) 16:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Further correspondence has been received from the reader, who now realizes there is a link to the aircraft actually shot down. I am not completely clear on whether this closes the issue or not, and have invited the reader to post here. If that happens it is a first time editor, so be kind.--S Philbrick (Talk) 17:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My correspondence noted that the aircraft pictured on the main page for this article is aircraft number PR-22. I submitted a picture of Aircraft PR-21 before I noticed there is a link to a photo of PR-21 later in the article. The picture I sent shows PR-21 in a slightly different configuration with equipment pods on the wingtips. Jack Sukenik — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.38.120.9 (talk) 17:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious Victory[edit]

The infobox says the result of the incident was some type of victory and it's unsourced. I don't believe there was any declaration of victory. It's not disputed that the aircraft went down, but how is that a victory? Toddst1 (talk) 17:26, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MiG-17 or MiG-21?[edit]

Which type of fighter shot down the EC-121? The page currently claims that they were MiG-21s, but I have also found references to MiG-17s doing the deed. For example, a US Navy article states MiG-17s, while a Time article states MiG-21s. Does anyone know which is correct? —Noha307 (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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destroyers that were part of the response group[edit]

the list on here is incomplete. i do not recall all of the destroyers that were in the group, but there were many more than are listed here, including the one i was on, the USS Rowan DD782. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.206.72.232 (talk) 13:52, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you have WP:RS then add them in. "I was there" is not WP:RS Mztourist (talk) 12:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nixon's response[edit]

Just read this 2017 BBC article - the source, George Alexander Carver Jr, passed away in '94 and has no wiki page. But the current page reads that Kissinger was the advocate for nukes, and the BBC article has him against (or at least delaying) that decision.

Wright, Ben (19 January 2017). "Teetotal Trump and the drinking presidents". BBC News. Retrieved 31 October 2023. When North Korea shot down a US spy plane in April 1969, an enraged Nixon allegedly ordered a tactical nuclear strike and told the joint chiefs to recommend targets. According to the historian Anthony Summers, citing the CIA's top Vietnam specialist at the time, George Carver, Henry Kissinger spoke to military commanders on the phone and agreed not to do anything until Nixon sobered up in the morning. —Hobart (talk) 19:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BBC is WP:RS so you can add it in. Mztourist (talk) 03:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]