Talk:1920–21 Cardiff City F.C. season/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kaiser matias (talk · contribs) 00:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:

Some comments. Note I made a few minor grammatical changes already:

• "...it was placed into the Football League Second Division after a successful voting ballot." Who voted? Can that be made clearer? - Added

• "Cardiff finished the season in second place, winning promotion to the First Division of The Football League. Although tied on points with league winners Birmingham with 58 of a possible 84 points, they lost out on the title on goal average." I feel this can be worded better, in a way that combines their second-place finish with losing to Birmingham. Perhaps: "Cardiff finished the season tied with league winners Birmingham, with 58 of a possible 84 points, and finished second due to goal average, but still earned promotion to the First Division of The Football League." That can still be better though, I think.

Reworded this a bit to hopefully be more streamlined. Kosack (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• "...keeping seven consecutive clean sheets..." I'd link clean sheet here. Some folks on this side of the Atlantic aren't used to the phrase. - Added

• "They were defeated by fellow Second Division side Wolverhampton Wanderers 3–1 in a replay at Old Trafford." I'm assuming this defeat was during the FA Cup, but it's a little unclear. I'd maybe try to merge it to the previous sentence to make it more direct.

Merged with the previous sentence. Kosack (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• "During the season, 29 players were used in all competitions. Billy Hardy featured in more games than any other player being ever present in both the league and FA Cup, making 49 appearances." Based on Hardy playing 49 games, would it be pertinent to note how many games total Cardiff played in the first sentence? Seems like something worth noting

I've changed the wording to show he only missed a single match during the season so it's possible to work it out from that. I can change it to just a flat number if you think it would be clearer. Kosack (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• "The club attracted an average attendance of over 28,000 for its first season in The Football League." It's later noted that the attendance rose due to joining The Football League; I'd note that here too. - Added

• "Votes were cast on the decision with Leeds United..." Again, I'm not sure who is voting here. From the look of it one of the football leagues, but some clarity would help. - Added

• "Cardiff's election meant that they were placed in a higher division than the three sides, Portsmouth, Watford and Crystal Palace, that had finished above them the previous year." More my own curiosity, but also perhaps worth noting, but why weren't those three clubs voted on?

They didn't apply it would seem. Cardiff were rather cheeky by the look of it and sort of made the leap while all other clubs were content to simply apply for the Third Division. Kosack (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• "... Jimmy Gill who was signed from The Wednesday for £750." The inflation calculator should be added here, or something to give context to the price. - Added

• "... Scottish International fullback Jimmy Blair..." Should International be capitalised here? - Removed

• "...Cardiff ultimately finished second to Birmingham on goal average." I'd suggest adding the stats here, even in parenthesis, to give some context. - Added

• "Cardiff's victory over Chelsea saw it become the first Welsh side ever to reach the stage in the competition's history. What stage? Missing a word there. - Added

• "42,000 fans attended the fixture resulting in £3,500 of receipts." Is that a notable number of receipts? Again, some context clarifying that would help. - Added

• "Gill was the club's top scorer during the season, scoring nineteen..." and "Arthur Cashmore, ... scoring 12 in all competitions" As both numbers are under 20, be consistent in either spelling it out or writing the digits. As this is the only case with the digits, I'd suggest the former. - Done

• Does the Lloyd book have a publisher or location? It looks like one is missing, but I'm not sure what. Otherwise sources look good, though I'll ask if there is any author's listed for the newspaper articles?

I've changed the publisher from Seren to Seren Books which seems to be the full company name. The copy I have doesn't list a publishing location only the company address so I can't be sure of that. The newspaper articles that do list an author don't use names, merely "our correspondent" or similar so no names unfortunately. Kosack (talk) 12:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• Are there any other images that could be added? It would be nice to have something else other than the one of Gill, but if nothing else is available then that's understandable.

Afraid not, no other players have images uploaded and I've been unable to find any available on a free license. Kosack (talk) 12:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Overall an interesting and comprehensive article. As someone with a limited knowledge of the game, I managed to understand it well, and it seemingly covers all the important details. Once the above are addressed will be good to go. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the review, I've made a start on these and should finish the rest later today. Kosack (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kaiser matias: I've addressed all of the issues above, let me know your thoughts. Kosack (talk) 12:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Excellent. I made one slight change to the wording in the lead, as it sounded slightly odd, but feel free to further modify. Regardless will give it a pass. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:12, 31 May 2019 (UTC)