Talk:1918 Copa del Rey final/GA1

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Brindille1 (talk) 03:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Ixtal (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Brindille1 (talk · contribs) 22:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking forward to reviewing this GAN. I expect to have time this weekend to write up the review. Brindille1 (talk) 22:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review summary[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): } b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Prose[edit]

Earwig looks good [1]

Lede[edit]

Seems slightly short- maybe mention attendance?
Done. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A few of my notes are on citations here. Consider MOS:LEADCITE, as I believe all the information in the lead is supported in the body.
Removed citations. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what the citation "Real Federación Española de Fútbol 2023." is supporting in that sentence.
Removed. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bit in parentheses is awkward and needs citation. I'd remove it, unless you see sources that count the 1913 win as a Real Union trophy.
Removed.— ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The last sentence is supported by the Garcia source, there's no need to have both citations
Removed.— ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Route to the final[edit]

nit: use "–" instead of "-" in the scores in the table
Done.— ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:DTAB Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. !Round becomes !scope=col |Round.
Done, I think. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The first entry in each column should have row-scope set as well.
Done, I think. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First paragraph is lacking citations
Sentence about the clubs merging should be cited
"Sporting's goal also came from a penalty." -> "also" is unnecessary
Removed. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Madrid newspaper Gran Vida`s Fr. Nasarre" -> "Madrid newspaper Gran Vida." The author's full name isn't known- is "Fr." an honorific or an abbreviated first name? Either way, not necessary to mention.
I still think he should be mentioned, but removed the Fr. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Galicians should be capitalized
Changed. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"noted the "excellent" quality of their players, although their lack of cohesion allowed Unión to keep possession of the ball throughout the match and win." -> This is awkward wording, as the first half of the sentence describes the match indirectly via the newspaper article, and the second half describes the match directly.
I'm not entirely sure how to make the wording less awkward, although maybe removing the quotemarks helps? — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That works Brindille1 (talk) 03:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"José Angoso" should not be capitalized, nor should he be listed as the author of the source.
Yeah I don't remember why I made that mistake, fixed (I assume you mean italicized rather than capitalized). — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Completely unrelated to this review, but I found the drawing of Ramón Eguiazábal on page 9 of the source pretty amusing
"In the second leg Madrid..." is a comma splice.
Removed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"beat the Catalans" -> "Catalans" isn't a nickname for the club (to my knowledge), and should be changed.
Changed to a nickname for the club to avoid "espanyol" repetition. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"the exhausted locals" -> "the home team"/"Madrid"
Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2 -> "two", 3 -> "three", 1 -> "one" per MOS:SPELL09
Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Madrid won 2–1, although Ruiz Ferry commented that they looked dominant throughout the match." -> This is confusing, does "they" refer to Madrid or Espanyol?
Madrid, in this case to imply that the close result is not reflective of the match itself. Didn't want to make the implication explicit in case that was me putting words in Ruiz's mouth. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Under the rules at the time, aggregate score was not used as a tie-breaker, and so a replay match was played 2 days after the second leg even though Espanyol had scored 3 goals to Madrid's 1 over the two legs." I would remove references to aggregate score- I don't see how it's relevant, unless you have a newspaper in which someone describes the format and complained about it not using aggregate. Also (and this may be my terrible Spanish), I'm not seeing the format described in the "Ruiz Ferry 1918c, p. 2." source.
It's not mentioned in the source but those were the rules at the time. Removed mention of aggregate score. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"goal-stopping" -> I've not heard this, do you mean "shot-stopping"?
Yes, I was writing in English but thinking in Spanish lol. Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"a crucial clearing" -> "a crucial clearance"
Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"With a final result of 4–0 in favor of a dominating Madrid and thus winning both legs, they qualified for the final." -> "With a final result of 4–0, Madrid had won both matches and qualified for the final."
Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there are a few too many newlines at the end of this section
Combined the paragraphs about Madrid semifinals. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General note: If a source explains why Union played single-leg games and Madrid played two-game series (really best of three), I'd recommend adding this info to the first paragraph.
I tried looking for such a source but couldn't, I don't really know why that was the case. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General note: There is one paragraph for Union's route to the final, and three for Madrid. I know there were many more games played by Madrid, but I don't think this level of detail is fully necessary.
It has to do with the sources I was able to find. The spanish media library has many newspapers from Madrid and Barcelona but barely any from other major cities (e.g. Bilbao, Sevilla, Valencia) or smaller ones like San Sebastian which would've covered Irun in detail. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Match[edit]

"with a high intensity by both teams." -> "with high intensity from both teams."
Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Seconds before the end of the first half" - I'm not sure this benefits from being a quote and would recommend rewording it. If you stick with the quote, mention who you're quoting.
Removed quotes and reworded. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"but were unable to score against Irun's "formidable defense" - Is "Irun" a nickname for Union? If so, you should say + cite that as it's not common information
Irun is the city where Real Union are from. I saw them referred to as such in the sources from time to time. You can see in the last paragraph of page 12 in the Nasarre source where he says (roughly translated) "An acceleration by Irun and a 'shot' [...]". Not sure if them being called Irun should be cited (or how, maybe a note/efn?). — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that makes sense. Maybe it's worth mentioning in the "Route to the final" section that the club is based there? That would clarify it Brindille1 (talk) 03:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"When the referee did not call a penalty against Unión, the pitch was again invaded by the fans." -> "The pitch was again invaded by the fans after the referee did not call a penalty against Uníon." The sentence as-is makes it seem like the non-call was the result of what you discussed in the prior sentence.
Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Then, in the last minutes of the second half..." -> "In the last minutes of the second half.."
Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Under "Details", add citations for kickoff time and attendance which are not covered in the report.
Added. Removed mention of kick off time since I couldn't find mention of it now. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notes/References[edit]

Note 3 the date should be 2011 not 2014
Removed source. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notes 11, 12, 13, 14 should be listed under "References" with the abridged citation remaining under "Notes"
Fixed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Each of the "Hemeroteca Digital" sources should use "cite news" rather than "cite web". The "Work" field should have the name of the publication.
- On a few of these (La Accion, El Universo, La Tribuna), the "last name" field should instead be the "Work" field, as these aren't author names. It's fine if the name of the author is left blank if this can't be found.
  - Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Every source is in Spanish (edit: except the one titled "TRACK RECORD"), but not all of them say "(in Spanish)" within the citations.
Changed. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Date for the Angoso source is 16 May
Where does it say otherwise? — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back at this, not sure what I saw as an issue here Brindille1 (talk) 03:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I ran the MOSNUM script to set dates consistently to date/month/year.
It's worth running the IAbot (https://iabot.wmcloud.org/) to archive these sources.

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