Talk:1873–74 Scottish Cup

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Only took five years but it's been removed. IFFHS + Soccerbase links were also dead so I've added Statto link.Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 13:50, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi - I'll make copyedits as I go (please revert if I inadvertently change the meaning) and jot queries below: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

...however only 14 would play a match after two withdrawals. - aargh, either both words or both numbers...but "2" looks funny here I concede...

Of the 16 teams to enter the first round; Southern were the only team who would not play a single match and – as of 2021 – only Dumbarton, Kilmarnock and Queen's Park still regularly compete in the competition. would go better in Teams section.

 Done Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I'd actually combine the Format and Teams into one section

 Done Changed the headings hierarchy so the teams section is under the format section. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Do we have any more information on the establishment of the cup - membership of the teams - rationale for establishment - timing etc.

 Done Background section added. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

teams actually better in prose format and maybe a discussion (why no teams from Edinburgh?)

 Done I'll change to prose by early next week, I might not get a lot of time to work on it over the next day or two. My suspicion that no Edinburgh teams were involved is because the advert intended to establish the SFA was posted in a Glasgow newspaper and also that the three early teams to compete from Edinburgh (3rd Edinburgh RV, Hearts and Hibernian) weren't formed until 1874/1875 but I'm not sure how you would reference that when I don't have anything that says it directly. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Agreed - can't put in what ain't in any sources...take yer time...is ok. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Got more time today than I thought. I've changed it to prose and checked the books I've got but unfortunately, none of them goes into detail about the teams that did/didn't enter. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 16:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

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Pass or Fail: nice read overall. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:06, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 19:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that of the 16 teams to enter the 1873–74 Scottish Cup; Southern were the only team who would not play a single match and – as of 2021 – only Dumbarton, Kilmarnock and Queen's Park still regularly compete in the competition? Source: Scottish F.A. Cup 1873–2017: The Complete Results
  • ALT1:... that in the first round of the 1873–74 Scottish Cup, John McPherson scored the first Scottish Cup hat-trick as Clydesdale defeated Granville 6–0? Source: The Beautiful Dribbling Game: The Scottish F.A. Challenge Cup in the 19th Century

• Reviewed: I have not nominated an article for DYK before so I will familiarise myself with the reviewing guide before looking at another nomination. Will post here once done.

Improved to Good Article status by Stevie fae Scotland (talk). Self-nominated at 09:06, 27 July 2021 (UTC).

• I have struck ALT0 as it's over the 200 character limit for hooks. In its place, I am suggesting shortened versions below:

ALT2 ... that of the 16 teams to enter the 1873–74 Scottish Cup, only Dumbarton, Kilmarnock and Queen's Park still regularly compete in the competition?

ALT2a ... that of the 16 teams to enter the inaugural Scottish Cup, only Dumbarton, Kilmarnock and Queen's Park still regularly compete in the competition?

In addition, ALT1 is a bit too complicated and could probably just be limited to mentioning that McPherson scored the first Scottish Cup hat-trick, without mentioning the final score. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback, I'll remember that for future nominations. From your comments, I think ALT2a would work best. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Date and length fine. However @Stevie fae Scotland:, I'm not seeing the hook fact in the article, specifically the part where it says those 3 still compete. QPQ not needed as this is his first nomination. No close paraphrasing. Please ping me when that is done and I will have another look. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

@The C of E: Thanks. The hook is in the second paragraph of the teams section (1873–74 Scottish Cup#Teams). It's been shortened from Of the 16 teams to enter the first round; Southern were the only team who would not play a single match and – as of 2021 – only Dumbarton, Kilmarnock and Queen's Park still regularly compete in the competition so it's not too long. I can alter that paragraph so there is a sentence that is exactly the same as the hook if you would like. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

@Stevie fae Scotland: It needs an inline citation then. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

@The C of E: Citation added. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

AGF on book source, Good to go then. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)