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Moved info from lede

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Hi ArbDardh I moved the block of text (whose deletion you had reverted) on some reasons why it may not happen from the lede. I think a reduced and more generalizable form, like one sentence, could be reinserted. The section is cited to RS but I think especially the passage on Kosovo supposedly causing the "Muslimization" of Albania might be UNDUE. Pinging also Ktrimi991, and Vargmali and Resnjari whose perspectives -- probably different than mine -- could be relevant and I don't want to exclude them. Imo -- it is possible some Christian (or Bektashi, or atheist etc) Albanians fear such a "Muslimization" but it is also easy to find sources for enthusiastic support for unification among at least some of both Catholics and Orthodox, and the argument completely ignores the views of Catholic Kosovar Albanians. Indeed for Catholic-- and atheist and Bektashi Kosovar Albanians -- unification means going from a state where they are 3%, 2% and less than 1%-and-only-in-Gjakova, to one where they would be much more widely represented, and for those that fear a "Muslimization" of Kosovo, unification with much less Muslim Albania could be discussed. Meanwhile there's much more that could be said on this -- back in the 90s as Fischer and Vickers noted, many Albania Albanians, especially Tosks, also were weary of hte idea of being joined to a region that would shift the balance in Albania decisively in favor of the right-wing and in favor of Ghegs, and at that point Gheg/Tosk was much more discussed than Christian/Muslim. There's also the view that having two Albanian states that coordinate foreign policy is in fact useful geopolitically. I think all of this, not an abbreviated version that treats non-Muslims as monolithic in their views, should be in a section -- not the lede. But I thought I'd give an avenue for discussion in case we might not agree.--Calthinus (talk) 18:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see your reasoning. I don’t object; such an addition would clear things up a bit. ArbDardh (talk) 22:35, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Calthinus, the religious "Muslimization" issue is certainly controversial and not mainstream enough to be mentioned in the lede. We have to be careful with the sources and their presentation here, since the issue is very delicate. Vargmali (talk) 22:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I too agree. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Calthinus, Ktrimi991, Vargmali, ArbDardh I've been ill for a while, getting back into the knack of things gradually again. Saw the ping to me. Though its late, the adjustment is fine. I just changed the subheading, to reflect similar formulas as in other articles on these kinds of issues (i.e United Ireland etc). Best.Resnjari (talk) 04:47, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Resnjari:, how have you been? Time permitting, I might make some (probably massive) content additions to this article. It is an important topic with much interest and points of view by Albanian communities around the world and others. As you have an interest in the topic, it would be great if you made some content additions or placed here good sources you know. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:07, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Ktrimi991:. With me, things are getting back to the way they were. I agree the topic is important, but i don't have much in the way of expanding it apart from maybe having a section on polling. Over the years various news outlets have done polls. Finding them would be a bit of a hassle though via google news. Some from memory are also cited in academic works that could be found via google books. Best.Resnjari (talk) 19:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Resnjari: I hope you are fine. I have a large amount of reliable sources on the topic. After I make the content additions to the article (I am supposing here that I will have enough time to do so), I will ask you to take a look again and give any advice you might have. Almost all my sources are newspappers and books. However, I might make some (quick) GoogleScholar search too for more sources. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]