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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 28, 2024. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that photographs of Donald Trump* taken during the failed attempt to assassinate him have been acclaimed as "immediately legendary"?*

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The result was: promoted by Sohom Datta talk 11:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that photographs of Donald Trump taken during the failed attempt to assassinate him have been acclaimed as "immediately legendary"?

Source: https://archive.fo/yJPJj

ALT1: ... that photographs of Donald Trump taken during the failed attempt to assassinate him have been called "one of the most iconic [...] in American history"? Source: https://apnews.com/article/trump-photo-flag-iconic-bullet-f668b7dcc7b365a319a5daaac582775d
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Created by Hallucegenia (talk) and Levivich (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

User:WoodElf 02:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ALT2: ... that Evan Vucci, who photographed Donald Trump raising his fist after an assassination attempt, also photographed the George W. Bush shoeing incident? Sources: Telegraph, Australian Levivich (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a good one.—Alalch E. 19:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will do a full review for this nomination shortly. Yue🌙 17:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
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QPQ: None required.

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Prose was checked for copyright violations; no issues arose. A number of references were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. All three hooks are verified, but I strongly prefer and recommend ALT2. Yue🌙 17:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An NYT article connecting it to populism

Hello Wikipedians. I'm currently in class (and on my phone), so I can't add this, but NYT just put out a piece connecting the raised fist's progressive past to Trump's populist narrative: Donald Trump and the Meaning of a Raised Fist https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/opinion/trump-fist-gesture.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Jk4.qM29.6tPwKe5EpuZJ

This is a gift article, so modify the link if you decide to add it. Ornov Ganguly TALK 14:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article is currently too focused on Evan Vucci's photographs

The lead and first sentence of the article is currently singularly focused on Associated Press photographer Evan Vucci:

Evan Vucci, an American photojournalist, captured a series of photographs of...

However there were several photographers present who all took various photos of the shooting and the raised fist. All of their output was shared in the aftermath and analyzed as iconic photography of the moment.

New York Times: The still images of the assassination attempt — by Doug Mills of The New York Times, and by photographers from The Associated Press and Reuters — tell another story.

Time: Various iterations of these images, taken by several photojournalists, continue to be shared. One of those photographs, taken by Associated Press photojournalist Evan Vucci, was chosen to appear on the cover of TIME.

Photographers there included, at least: Brendan McDermid - Reuters, Gene J. Puskar - AP, Evan Vucci - AP, Doug Mills - NYT, Anna Moneymaker - Getty

Now, perhaps that particular best Vucci photograph has become the subject of the article. In that case the article should be re-titled to Donald Trump raised-fist photograph, singular, or to the actual title that the author has assigned to that particular work.

But as the current title is "photographs", plural, the other photographers and raised-fist photographs should be included in the article per their similar analysis in reliable third-party sources.

Perhaps too the article should be extended past the "raised fist" photos to include the other big ones from that day. Namely, the photograph of the speeding bullet by Mills and the photo of him on the floor by Moneymaker. Something like Photographs of the Donald Trump assassination attempt.

Axios: After the Trump rally shooting, three images stood out immediately. They've come to be known in newsrooms as the "Evan photo" by AP's Evan Vucci, the "Anna photo" by Getty's Anna Moneymaker, and "the bullet photo" by the New York Times' Doug Mills.

PK-WIKI (talk) 07:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]