Talk:Timeline of the Red Sea crisis

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Timeline of the Red Sea crisis article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard.

International relations Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Islam: Islam and Controversy Low‑importance

	Islam portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IslamWikipedia:WikiProject IslamTemplate:WikiProject IslamIslam-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Islam and Controversy task force.

Israel Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

edit
history
watch
purge

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.

Israel Palestine Collaboration

This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, a collaborative, bipartisan effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. For guidelines and a participants list see the project page. See also {{Palestine-Israel enforcement}}, the ArbCom-authorized discretionary sanctions, the log of blocks and bans, and Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars. You can discuss the project at its talk page.Israel Palestine CollaborationWikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationTemplate:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationIsrael Palestine Collaboration articles

Lists Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Military history: Middle East / Post-Cold War CL‑class

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

CL

This article has been rated as CL-class on the project's quality scale.

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Middle Eastern military history task force
	Post-Cold War task force

Palestine Low‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Crime and Criminal Biography: Terrorism Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Terrorism task force (assessed as Low-importance).

Yemen Mid‑importance

	Yemen portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Yemen, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Yemen on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.YemenWikipedia:WikiProject YemenTemplate:WikiProject YemenYemen articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to post-1978 Iranian politics, which has been designated as a contentious topic.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Operation... what?

I'm holding off on the daily cascade of events. E.g. these most recent military operations under the aegis of Operation Prosperity Guardian presumably have their own names. We just don't know what they are yet! kencf0618 (talk) 14:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is the current title too narrow?

The subtitle is currently "Attacks on shipping in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean 2023–2024", but that doesn't really correspond to the current article title. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is narrow enough. To my thinking the Red Sea became a theater of the 2023 Israel-Hamas War, and a crisis in its own right, when the attacks on shipping began. Hence my focus on the maritime aspect. The assorted missile strikes on Israel is a matter I'm leaving for other editors - I don't want to spread myself too thin. kencf0618 (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

St. Nikolas

The seizing of St. Nikolas by Iran seems completely unrelated to the subject of this article. More the settling of an old score involving the vessel's seizure last April, when named Suez Rajan, for carrying embargoed Iranian oil, see here. And of course, hardly in the "Red Sea Theater" - Davidships (talk) 02:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. The Houthi haven't made any statement, but I am loathe to have the article's title riggered yet again or to just take that hijacking out, at least not at this juncture. I would wait on events. kencf0618 (talk) 15:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of event is awaited? Have any RSs claimed that this is anything to do with the Houthis or with the Gaza war? If so, please indicate. If not it shouldn't be in the article at all. It is as irrelevant as this? - Davidships (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crew, Cargo, and Date Format

For starters, the Galaxy Leader: 17 Filipino nationals, 2 Bulgarians, 3 Ukrainians, 2 Mexicans and 1 Romanian citizen. Cargo, none ("in ballast"). As for the date format I'm partial to yyyy-mm-dd or dd-MTH-yyyy for the main table. kencf0618 (talk) 14:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose these details be separated with their own column so that the details of the attack look less bulky and cluttered. Borgenland (talk) 14:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How's this template? I'd rather not change everything by hand, though...!

Date	Ship	Flag	Crew	Attack Type	Details	Ref
19 Nov	Error: {{Ship}} missing name (help)	Bahamas	Bulgaria, Mexico, Philippines, Romania, Ukraine ^[1]	Piracy	Boarded via Mi-17 and sailed to Hodeidah, Yemen, where she is now a tourist attraction. Israeli Abraham Ungar, part owner.	^[2]^[3]^[4]

kencf0618 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Kencf0618[reply]

I would add a field for the type of ship: tanker, containership etc. There is more reliable data than actual cargo (which is often not known), and useful relevant for sorting. Davidships (talk) 11:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. Ships have prefixes, and God knows what the Houthi's full criteria are. In any case this is a very, very international business, and the crews are at risk. kencf0618 (talk) 14:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/crew-seized-galaxy-leader-allowed-modest-contact-with-families-shipowner-2023-12-05/
^ McGarvey, Emily; Costa, Ana Nicolaci da (20 November 2023). "Japan condemns Yemen's Houthi rebels hijack of cargo ship in Red Sea". BBC News. Archived from the original on 24 November 2023. Retrieved 24 November 2023.
^ Sabbagh, Dan (4 December 2023). "Three commercial vessels attacked in Red Sea by Houthi rebels, says US". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 26 December 2023. Retrieved 29 December 2023.
^ Wells, Kane (23 November 2023). "Hijacking of Galaxy Leader has broader implications for marine war underwriters: Skytek". ReinsuranceNe.ws. Archived from the original on 25 November 2023. Retrieved 29 December 2023.

Rubymar

Some confusion has led to the proliferation of the self-contradictory "Belize flag, British-registered" ship. It began with a Houthi statement that MV Rubymar is British-registered (no mention of Belize); but appears to have been repeated by security company Ambrey. Well it cannot be both, and all the maritime sources confirm Belize registry (unchanged since the ship changed hands in 2020 - before that, Panama), see Equasis, Class NK. What some sources have rightly noted is that the registered owner, Golden Adventure Shipping SA, has an address in Southampton (in a residential apartment, as it happens), though it is not a British company. Is it acceptable to omit the claim of Rubymar being British-registered? - Davidships (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Color-code

Thanks to whoever came up with the color-code; it hits the right note and guides the eye. I would denote the attacks which resulted in injuries with yellow as well, but given that red is already marking signal events I am open to suggestions as how we should denote fatal attacks. Shifting the spectrum to green-yellow-red, perhaps? Including a black band in the upper left hand corner of the Details box? kencf0618 (talk) 16:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've decided to ascribe yellow, aka #90EE90", for Damaged; Not Diverted explicitly for those ships which were cited as having proceeded to their scheduled port of call. I'll bring out my Cite Fu later for the others. kencf0618 (talk) 00:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red should be used exclusively to sunk or captured vessels.Mr.User200 (talk) 01:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone check the history of the Marlin Luanda routes to check if she was actually diverted following the January strike on her?

Title

Ideally someone should do that for most vessels here and report the results D1d2d3d29 (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't do that myself i don't have a vesselfinder subscription D1d2d3d29 (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Variegated TBD

I'm making a virtue of screwing up the formatting by working on this developing piece here. Not only is much unknown, various elements are going to stay that way!

TBD/

Antigua and Barbuda, etc./

9 June 2024./

Missiles & small arms./

Three unidentified ships were attacked, causing fires on two (and quickly contained on one). No ships diverted, reportedly/

^[1]

kencf0618 (talk) 13:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Houthis identified the vessels as Norderney and Tavvishi, and they claimed an attack on HMS Diamond (D34). (JPost) Chomik! (talk?) 13:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've decided to use my sandbox for my initial drafts from now on. It's easier on me, and won't clutter things up here. kencf0618 (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Something that could be a useful pdf

YEM_Houthi-Attacks-Pressuring-International-Trade.pdf (dia.mil) D1d2d3d29 (talk) 22:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sattelite imagery of tutor bulker oil slik

https://x.com/SynMaxInt/status/1803467617103147230 D1d2d3d29 (talk) 19:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get this on wikimedia commons? D1d2d3d29 (talk) 19:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone made an edit to the Rubymar entry

Someone made an edit to the Rubymar entry claiming that in addition to a missile it was also hit by an Unmanned underwater vehicle (submarine drone). What is the source of that claim? D1d2d3d29 (talk) 17:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Width of tables

Is there any reason why column 5 of the tables should not be widened to, say, 650px to ease readability of the extensive descriptions and reduce scrolling? - Davidships (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I've made the edit such that now (depending on the quantity of information) one might have three incidents on the screen or as many as nine, all readable. I've also taken the liberty of decreasing the unnecessary white space of some of the other columns. kencf0618 (talk) 22:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated. I've adjusted the following tables to match. - Davidships (talk) 21:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abolition Media

Apologies for failing to mention in edit summary, but I removed a ref from Abolition Media not because of its open POV, but because this slick-but-anonymous site does not appear to be a reliable news source per WP:NEWSORG. - Davidships (talk) 10:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://www.timesofisrael.com/two-ships-catch-fire-after-apparent-houthi-missile-strikes-off-yemens-aden/

[1] ttps://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/crew-seized-galaxy-leader-allowed-modest-contact-with-families-shipowner-2023-12-05/

[bbc20nov-2] McGarvey, Emily; Costa, Ana Nicolaci da (20 November 2023). "Japan condemns Yemen's Houthi rebels hijack of cargo ship in Red Sea". BBC News. Archived from the original on 24 November 2023. Retrieved 24 November 2023.

[3] Sabbagh, Dan (4 December 2023). "Three commercial vessels attacked in Red Sea by Houthi rebels, says US". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 26 December 2023. Retrieved 29 December 2023.

[4] Wells, Kane (23 November 2023). "Hijacking of Galaxy Leader has broader implications for marine war underwriters: Skytek". ReinsuranceNe.ws. Archived from the original on 25 November 2023. Retrieved 29 December 2023.

[5] ttps://www.timesofisrael.com/two-ships-catch-fire-after-apparent-houthi-missile-strikes-off-yemens-aden/

[1]

[2]

[3]

[4]

[1]