Talk:The Vamps (British band)

Edit request on 31 October 2013

The genre is wrong. This is not indie pop. Indie pop is a different thing. This is pop. Indie pop is different. Not this. Thank you. 64Fathoms (talk) 12:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Not done: The references I found (and now added) state they are an Indie pop band. Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Is the Derbyshire Times really the most reliable source for music genre's? Surely there must be other sources that state they are simply pop, not indie-pop. Surely common sense dictates this? They don't even border on Indie 147.143.220.222 (talk) 13:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Searching for references, I've picked up a mixed bag. the likes of Last FM and Digital Spy, probably more reliable musically than Derbyshire Times, state the band are simply pop. That said, some of the bands personal accounts, such as their Soundcloud and Youtube pages, use the term indie-pop. Obviously, to any music fan or writer, this is of course untrue, but as a primary source, I assume this should prevail. Would it make more sense to have both Indie Pop and pop in the genre section, then stick with Indie Pop in the main body of text as per the bands personal description of their music? 147.143.220.222 (talk) 13:43, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Definitely not indie pop. Nothing like. Last FM is not a reliable source, and neither are their own web pages. Find several sources written by people who know what they're talking about which don't just regurgitate PR and if they say indie pop there may be a case. Why do so many of these awful commercial 'artists' like to consider themselves 'indie', and why do so many of their fans do the same? Here's sources describing them as a pop band: [1], and these describe them as a boy band: [2], [3], [4], [5]. --Michig (talk) 18:32, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

they are a pop rock band now - their genre has changed a bit Hiyamate1234 (talk) 11:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 18:37, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... (your reason here) --24.5.13.104 (talk) 23:44, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

They are a really big pop rock band known around the world and have a massive fan base know as vampettes/vampions and overall the vamily. Hiyamate1234 (talk) 11:33, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

The Vamps are an Indie Pop band that is well known around the world.

Edit request on 30 April 2014

James' birthday is in year 1994 not 1993.

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed, in any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Genre

I am a big fan of The Vans and I know that the genre of their music is in fact - Acoustic-driven indie pop band - I don't only know this from being a fan but also because it is on their twitter name. Andreia simpson (talk) 12:09, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Merge awards

The page List of awards and nominations received by the Vamps should be merged back into the Vamps because the table of awards is very small, and this page about the Vamps is not very large either. The resulting combined article will not be clunky, unbalanced or too large. Binksternet (talk) 16:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with this. The deletion discussion was closed way too hastily, and I disagree with the rationale used. However, since we're here, I'll support a merge. To highlight the few awards like this in their own individual article is undue, and there is no reason to believe the the information will overwhelm the main article. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• I do not understand why the AFD was clsoed as "speedy keep", when the only two contributors had voted to merge, which is obviously the right solution. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of songs recorded by The Vamps

This could better be integrated into that article and does not warrant its own article. StudiesWorld (talk) 09:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I say we should merge this content back into the main Vamps article. Binksternet (talk) 06:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:21, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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The Vamps (British band) → The Vamps – Should never have been moved. Unreal7 (talk) 16:32, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• Support superfluous disambiguation per WP:UNDAB, and unnatural parenthetical one to boot per WP:NATURALDIS. ^walk victor falk ^talk 20:52, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
• Strong oppose The Vamps (Australian band) has a substantial article and (not surprisingly as a pioneering woman band in Australia) gets more coverage in Google Books. (British band) is required here, and User:MatthewVanitas made a good move and cited dab. There is actually also an earlier British band, a Cheltenham based punk band cited in Paul Marko The Roxy London WC2: A Punk History p.394 who issued two singles in 1980, but (British) will cover this. I'm not sure whether the Japanese band might also need to move from Vamps (band) to Vamps (Japanese band), it certainly wouldn't do any harm. Sweet Dreams (Vamps song) In ictu oculi (talk) 21:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)* Move The Vamps (Australian band) to The Vamps superfluous disambiguation per WP:UNDAB, and unnatural parenthetical one to boot per WP:NATURALDIS. wp:primarytopic in relation to "The Vamps (British band)", per wp:recent & WP:TWODABS. IIO, are you going to create a stub for the 1980 Cheltenham based punk band? That won't make the Australian band any less of a wp:primarytopic... ^walk victor falk ^talk 21:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Ha! I knew it! You edited your post to add them (: !! As I said, good luck showing they are a wp:primarytopic competitor. As for "VAMPS" (stylised thus), "the" is a sufficient disambiguator for bands when part of the name, as in the The Who and not Who (band). ^walk victor falk ^talk 21:37, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I only just noticed the Japanese band, they were an afterthought No, as above I don't think the Cheltenham punk band are notable, they are only mentioned in passing in a single night in the The Roxy London WC2 book and not worthy of mention in The Roxy London WC2 article. I'm afraid I don't support your alternative Move The Vamps (Australian band) to The Vamps either - even though historically and in books the Australian band has a better claim to encyclopedic significance, the fact is that the boy band is a hot property now and for the next couple of years, maybe even to the extent of letting The Vamps continue to redirect to the boyband. I just pipelinked 30 pages where the boy band had been added to every thing from Froot Loops to Leeds city centre, it's pretty certain that the boy band will continue to be seeded left right and center into any article that they remotely touch for the next couple of years. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• This is abject capitulation in the face of WP:RECENTISM. If this was 1997 wikipedia, when the movie with the Celine Dion song was "hot property now and for the next couple of years" until y2k, would you advocate putting that film instead of the boat at Titanic? Or, as actually happened a few years ago, establishing the principle of "enduring notability" and "long term encyclopedic value", the 3D movie instead of the hindu concept in 2009? ^walk victor falk ^talk 10:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

hi, re "letting The Vamps continue to redirect to the boyband?" yes I admit it, this would be abject capitulation in the face of WP:RECENTISM, however so much of wikipedia's music coverage is a blog that exists to catalogue sales figures and chart results, and it seems there's a significant commercial push from Mercury, Virgin EMI behind the boy band. This is the nature of pop(ular) market forces, or rather what is pushed to the market by corporations, so as long as this is an open cloud sourced volunteer project we probably should ride with it. I just fixed another 20 pipelinks ... In ictu oculi (talk) 03:16, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose - as there are multiple musical groups called The Vamps or the Vamps there is always potential for confusion therefore it is preferable that a search be redirected to the appropriate disambiguation page Vamp, which provides greater clarification for the search.Dan arndt (talk) 00:39, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

No, there is only one other band called "the vamps" on wikipedia. And even if there was as third, it is still a school example of superfluous disambiguation to befuddle the wp:primarytopic one with the disambiguator. ^walk victor falk ^talk 10:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes but there doesn't have to be a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and pushing always having one and slicing down titles as the essay WP:UNDAB does goes against both some other WP:CRITERIA, per WP:TWODABS (which allows 2 dabs), and some projects such as WP:USPLACE, royalty, ships and so on. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose the proposed title should remain a redirect ot the disambiguation page, were multiple values are listed. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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History: formation: Dull dull dull

Is this the most boring and inconsequential paragraph in the history of wikipedia? Can I make the nomination? Gwaka Lumpa (talk) 08:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2015

I would like to change the genre of the band. The band is pop-rock rather than just pop - this is because guitars and other instruments are used. MusicManguy1111 (talk) 23:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 18:01, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

this is very true they are a pop rock band NOT a boyband - theyve said this themselves on many occasions, once saying that they would much rather be called a "really manly men band" than a boyband but the fact remains they are a proper band because they play instruments. Their genre is pop rock especially since they released their 5th album cherry blossom (the whole meaning behind it is that they are moving into a more like poprock genre) Hiyamate1234 (talk) 11:37, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Merge tours

These appear to lack notability and need to be merged. Karst (talk) 11:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

• Support All of the tours fail both WP:GNG and WP:CONCERT TOUR. Aspects (talk) 15:21, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
• Strong support The last one published was about a tour to be held in 2016. Where's the proof of notability there. All are limited tours anyway not truly international tours across continents. But a solution may be to lump all of them in a The Vamps tours page with each tour as a sub-section. werldwayd (talk) 11:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 23 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Largely just assertions from both sides, no real way to determine which arguments are stronger. Jenks24 (talk) 05:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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The Vamps (British band) → The Vamps – We barely have any proper info about the discography of the Australian band. A big chunk of the sources aren't even proper links, just text. The British band are the absolutely primary topic in the 21st century. Unreal7 (talk) 13:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 07:24, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Strong oppose WP:RECENTISM The Vamps (Australian band) are more notable long term than this latest thing. And what about all the other possible subjects? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Then why is there almost no information about them? That's not true in the slightest. We have zero information about any album releases and the singles are pretty shoddy too. And there are only two things called "The Vamps", so all the other things will have no conflict. Seriously, please actually give a proper reason for opposing next time. Unreal7 (talk) 12:29, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support move Vamp as a band name seems to be so popular with a Norwegian folk music band called Vamp (without the The), so is the name of a Japanese rock band. Their is a Thai pop band called VAMP. The Australian The Vamps though seems to be a more local band like all earlier mentioned "Vamp"s. Clearly the British The Vamps is the highly prominent international band and multiple hits in so many charts and the main subject as "The Vamps". No comparison with all the Vamps, including the Australian one. By the way, there was actually a discussion about this earlier in 2014, where it was preferred to use The Vamps as a redirect to Vamps disambiguation page. That point of view and consensus may have a merit I must admit. But the stronger the British The Vamps become, the more I am inclined to give them the benefit of doubt as main subject. werldwayd (talk) 11:44, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. In this case, WP:THE/"The" is not a sufficient disambiguator to distinguish itself from subjects listed at the disambiguation page Vamps. Steel1943 (talk) 05:03, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose - The annoying part I actually wanna support but the name could easily be confused with the Japanese or Norwegian band so to make life simpler I have to oppose. –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 02:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Suggest also that the 3rd band Vamps (band) is moved back to Vamps (Japanese band) as it also occurs with "the" sometimes. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:42, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2016

They have since worked on new music (All Night ft. Matoma) and won another Teen Choice Award. As well as this, they have released a few other songs in an All Night bundle and they have released I Found A Girl as a single featuring OMI.

</ref> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWolU7a9vV8 (All Night live) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X75t32qqQZM (Another song released on the All Night bundle, there are more if clicked on the user who posted)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2017

Please change labeled to labelled because language is British English. 87.112.207.217 (talk) 01:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Done JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:08, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2018

- ! Award ! Year ! Category ! Work ! Result Liamrutland (talk) 12:39, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Hhkohh (talk) 13:37, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2019

The Vamps celebrated 5 years of headlining at the O2 arena in London on Saturday, 25th of May 2019. HappyToLearn (talk) 17:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 08:55, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

They became the first band to play and sell out the O2 arena in London Hiyamate1234 (talk) 11:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2020

James McVey's birth year

James McVey was born on 30 April 1993, NOT 1994. In 2012, he confirmed on his official Twitter account that he was indeed born in 1993. Also, last year on his Instagram, on his birthday (in 2019), he claimed that he had turned 26, which would also have added up back to 1993, not 1994, as stated in this article currently. DorsetTiger (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Cherry Blossom

On 23 October 2020, Cherry Blossom debuted at number one in The UK Albums Chart, giving the band their second UK number one album.

James McVey & Connor Ball

I think James & Connor should have their own pages as they had appearances on I'm a Celeb & Dancing on Ice respectively. --Annamargarita0 (talk) 08:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Members

All band members from almost every band have separate pages so all 4 members of The Vamps need separate pages too. --Annamargarita0 (talk) 14:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)