Talk:Storm Ciara

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Directions

Could somebody please add the direction of the storm? Is it going from West to East or East to West, that kind of thing? —⁠andrybak (talk) 15:44, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge. Buttons0603 (talk) 00:08, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to merge Early February 2020 North American storm complex – aka Winter Storm Kade – into Storm Ciara. These were both caused by the same extratropical cyclone, and the impacts in North America were far less than those in the British Isles. As a result, I believe the US & Canada impacts can be summarised as a section of this article. To see how that would work, see also Storm Gloria, which was also Winter Storm Jacob and covers both (the North American impacts of that were notably greater than Kade too). Buttons0603 (talk) 20:02, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. In this case, they truly WERE the same system - same continuous low pressure area. Impacts over the Atlantic can be covered here too. CrazyC83 (talk) 23:30, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The system was more notable as Ciara/Sabine rather than as Kade/early Feb 2020 storm complex. Its effects across the pond should be added to the Storm Ciara wiki page. Vida0007 (talk) 21:20, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose On crossing the Atlantic Ocean the processes involved in the development essentially make them very different. As with Storm Christina in 2014 (storm Hercules USA) see Cyclones Anne and Christina: A Met Office spokeswoman said the storm developing in the Atlantic was "loosely connected to the weather system that caused the U.S. winter storm", explaining that as it moved over the Atlantic it would pick up moisture and warmth from the ocean which would change its character. -and references therein.Lacunae (talk) 17:00, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But they are still the same system regardless of developmental changes. See also hurricanes extratropical transition approaching Europe for an even more drastic change that is always covered in the same article. Buttons0603 (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ok, so this discussion seemed to end rather prematurely. I've given the views of a trained Meteorologist on the connection between US winter storms and European ETC's (Which I think has been dismissed rather summarily). You should then tighten up the prose of the article then where Kade is described as a precursor low. Not to mention arguments regarding undue weight as regarding the winter storm in the US as being equally notable to (and this applies to both Dennis and Ciara) the European storms. I'm not aware of any effort to create articles for the winter storms in the US, which suggests they are rather un-notable. The inclusion here of information regarding the US storminess IS confusing and feels somewhat like a shoe-horning in of extraneous information. The equivalence of extratropical transition of hurricanes as areas of low pressure is as far as I'm aware meteorologically unsound, or at the very least not a widely accepted practise in the meteorological community. I would suggest that such "mergers" require a stronger backing from literature (I don't see such connections being seriously made anywhere else, aside from being casually mentioned asides).Lacunae (talk) 22:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@IllCom and ...Wikicanada1127: Also appear to have raised objections to these "mergers" of American storms and European ones. Lacunae (talk) 20:26, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention as discussed at Storm Gloria, these edits appear to be based on original, and flawed research "The problem could be this backwards trajectory of the Gloria low is based on surface pressure analysis, wheres AEMET describe Gloria as developing on the 17 January as "a high-level vortex located in the North Atlantic, near Newfoundland in the early hours, which moved rapidly in the direction of Europe" - http://www.aemet.es/en/conocermas/borrascas/2019-2020/estudios_e_impactos/gloria I would certainly then be cautious if not downright suspicious of linking this to earlier developments over North America based on surface pressure charts alone.Lacunae (talk) 15:28, 21 February 2020 (UTC)"Lacunae (talk) 20:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was opposing the alledged identity of north American winter storm Jacob with storm Gloria on the talk page of Gloria, because those two systems were too far apart. However the fundamental problem I see with these suggestions of identity of north American storm systems with European ones this season is that they seem to be stated without any references supporting that claim, making them seem like original research. --IllCom (talk) 23:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"sea level along the Swedish west coast were the highest in 34 years" - no!

Regarding:

"sea level along the Swedish west coast were the highest in 34 years"

That is the level is the highest at a single place does not necessarily mean that the mean level on the Swedish west coast is the highest in 34 years.

Different duration and wind direction at different times may mean it the highest in 7 years or in 80 years.

Or there could be another place where it was the highest in 127 years.

--Mortense (talk) 01:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Why are these storms given names?

Only hurricanes/typhoons are named, who is naming ordinary storms? Is some TV weather show or foreign weather service doing this? 2601:647:6480:B640:25C2:CCC9:5D2B:98D1 (talk) 06:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]