Talk:Janggu

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Pronunciation/spelling

Isn't the original spelling with an "o" at the end, like jwago, sogo, and all the other Korean drums? I think "janggu" is a variant spelling. Badagnani 21:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the word is apparently is derived from 杖鼓, but is firmly established as "janggu", although "janggo" is occasionally used. Appleby 21:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why, then, are the classical drums jwago, sogo, jeolgo, etc. not pronounced with final "u"? Is it because the janggu is used in both court and folk music and that gives people more leeway as to how to pronounce it? Whatever the reason, it's interesting that "-go" seems to have been the original Sino-Korean pronunciation of the Chinese "gu" (鼓) but in the case of the janggu it somehow (coincidentally?) returned to the original Chinese pronunciation (though without the tone). Badagnani 21:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it is true, the character 鼓 is today pronounced as "go" in korea, and the janggu is the most popular of the traditional drums. i don't know if this is relevant, but according to [1], janggu (at least the hanja name) was imported from china during the tang dynasty; the -go instruments were ancient chinese 大晟 instruments imported to korea during china's song dynasty. i'm just trying to translate from that page, the ambiguity of "ancient" is in the original. Appleby 22:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are more words like janggu. Some loans more or less obviously derived from Chinese (like bungeo and perhaps taekkyeon) are pronounced in a way that differs from the standard pronunciation of the individual hanja corresponding to the hànzì which are used to write the Chinese original. These words are normally not considered hanja words and hence not written with hanja – compare [2] (top result) and [3] (top result): the header for janggu does not contain any hanja, presumably because the word's gu does not match the way 鼓 is pronounced in other words (go). Probably because of this aberration, the word is interpreted as merely derived from 杖鼓/長鼓, whereas janggo is considered defective, but has its hanja 杖鼓/長鼓 in the header, presumably because this form's pronunciation fits the hanja's standard pronunciation. The 표준국어대사전 goes so far as to omit any hanja in ojingeo's etymology, which has the same -ngeo ← 魚 as is found in bungeo, (r)ingeo etc. Wikipeditor 22:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the word comes from Chinese (as it certainly does; there's an instrument of the same name and construction used in ancient China), it has a Sino-Korean etymology, and the hanja should be listed. You've added alternate hanja at the Traditional Korean musical instruments article; why not put them in the box here? An additional etymology section would be welcome, and can explain everything you say above. Badagnani 23:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Importance

This article, due to its focusing on an instrument with great prevalence throughout Korean culture (in both music and dance), should probably not be categorized of the lowest importance. Badagnani 12:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Badagnani

As you requested in the history page. I deleated nothing from the original post, i just organize them. you can track down every point available in the original post somewhere in the new post with new additional information. some point like its hourglass shape and it being korean traditional instrument is mentionaed more than once and therefore redundant. the history of the instrument is mentioned on the second and sixth paragraph is grouped togather. and also gramatical error is corrected. although my grammar is not perfect also :p. I added a new section 'external links' to let other people to post relavant material for the instrument. so, i started with a crappy video instead. Since you wrote the last postings, please include a new section to the post at before external links indicating your references to complete the page. thanks. I do deleated mention about buk because it is different instrument and should be in the buk page instead. Simon18i 07:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You changed many sentences and words from good grammar and properly spelled English to bad grammar and improperly spelled English. Why did you do that? Badagnani 08:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please correct that? all of the words is copy paste of the original. i dont know this will make them bad. actually i dont see misspelled words, propably you corrected them. thanks. the only gramatical error i see is passive voice, but this is quite common and i'm too lazy to change what i coppied. I have found new material on janggu. I will be editing some points like yogo is not indian word, its hanja and translates as waist drum, not knee. the actual name of the indian drum will be mentioned in the text. you mentioned it is 'percussion instument' and later 'leather percussion instrument' so i just put leather percussion instrument once. and the name of the instrument is mentioned at the start of the paragrah and in the third. so, i just group the name you rementioned at the start. slim waist anybody who reads english understands that the waist is small, no need to put english translation and meaning to the translation unless there is special need. Simon18i 17:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The information you are adding seems good. It is always great to have editors with expertise in Korean traditional music. Do you play and study it? Regarding hanja, can you add them? I assume you have a Korean IME that includes hanja. I have it too, but I think you know it better. Badagnani 19:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yogo

Why doesn't the yogo appear here? Badagnani 19:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Normally people only list the type of instrument, not all its available size, pitch,...ect. Since the word Janggu is in use, the term 'yogo' is falling out of use. Instead, they use 'Sol-janggu' (small janggu) to differentiate its size; since both of them are identical instrument. Sol-janggu is mainly carried by woman or children while dancing. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon18i (talk • contribs)

The term (and its former use) should be described in the article. -- Badagnani (talk) 18:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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