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Title[edit]

Can we change the substantive title to Cliffe, Kent- and just do a redirection from Cliffe-at-Hoo, because everyone, including the Parish Council calls it Cliffe. It is Cliffe on the 1842 OS map. Precedent is that all Medway villages are referred to as 'Village, Kent'.

Alternatively, we can leave the Clofesho bit on the Cliffe-at-Hoo page and put the undisputed facts on the Cliffe, Kent page. This is my preference.

If there are no good reasons to the contrary I will do that in a couple of weeks time. ClemRutter 20:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sounds fine to me. Jw6aa 21:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Clofesho has moved to the Councils of Clovesho. The rest of the article is at Cliffe, Kent with a link to Councils of Clovesho. The redirection from Cliffe-at-Hoo has been set up. Redirections from Clovesho and Cloveshoo. This fixes the comment above. ClemRutter 23:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Cement Works[edit]

How did this works get its name? Could it be that it was one of the many (at least 20) works owned by the Alpha Portland Cement Company of Alpha, New Jersey (also named after the cement company)? But there's a problem here: presumably all the works of Alpha PCC were called "Alpha Works". So in an article referring to "Alpha cement works", how would one know which of more than twenty cement works was being referred to? The plant may have been the only Alpha plant in Cliffe, Kent, and so was referred to thus by locals, but that doesn't help anyone from anywhere else. Actually, the Alpha company called the Cliffe plant "Thames Works", naming it after the previous owners. Blue Circle called it Cliffe Works, but that doesn't distinguish it from the plant on the creek, which was built in 1854 by I C Johnson and not Francis as is stated in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.228.191 (talk) 11:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charnel House[edit]

The Charnel House May 2015

Maybe it would be worthwhile to mention The Charnel House, a grade II listed building?? -- Slaunger (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Silly, me it is mentioned. -- Slaunger (talk) 18:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As a penance- you could say 25 mea culpas and add references the the Victorian Cliffe section- the Cement Works section and sort out all the other {{cn}}s.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seems nobody responded to that suggestion: maybe that's because most of the Cement Works section is bollocks! Many texts on the Cliffe cement industry exist and can provide references, but study of these would only confirm the stupidity of the existing text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.5.2 (talk) 22:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I just thought i should let you know, all the sections of this article pertaining to Anglo-Saxon times (namely the info on the location and proceedings of the councils of Clofesho) are either wrong, highly outdated, or not very good. I would suggest re-writing the whole part on the councils of Clofesho under a seperate article, as the attribution of Cliffe-at-Hoo as being the Anglo-Saxon place Clofesho was argued against in the sixteenth century, and pretty much disproven by the seventeenth century. Today, virtually no scholar would uphold this attribution or line of argument.

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Links[edit]

Re: "nor should the page link to every or any local institution, society or place of worship: WP is not a directory of such links." - I've never said that it should, nor do I believe it should. I have linked to the core/key pages. Re: "WP is not a directory of links you like." - I've never said that it is, nor do I believe it should be. Reasons for adding the links: These pages are core/key external links related to the location. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.18.164 (talk) 10:16, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You should read our external links policy, Wikipedia:External links. In a nutshell the policy is:

External links in an article can be helpful to the reader, but they should be kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article.

The rest of the article gives guidance in detail. In particular

  • Links to social media should be avoided (WP:ELNO #10), which covers the first FaceBook link
  • Links 'only indirectly related' (WP:ELNO #13) should be avoided, which covers the website of the Church

There are exceptions – for example a link to a social media site is sometimes OK if it is the only official site of a person/group – but they are rare exceptions. These though are not exceptional in any way.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 10:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since this policy based reasoning has not been disputed, or any other reasons given for keeping those links in addition to the “I like them” argument initially given, I have removed them.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 08:32, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
John, is correct. Please involve yourself a little more in Wikipedia- register, get a user name and we can suggest other articles where you may like to contribute. --ClemRutter (talk) 09:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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