Talk:Akuma (Street Fighter)

street fighter 4?

anyone know if akuma is in street fighter 4, i've had a look around and cant find any info on it. -anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.23.23 (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC) I thought he was going to be in it, but it doesn't look like it since I think the roster is pretty much finished for SF4.Lasttiger (talk) 22:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC) a trailer teaser is arrived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.153.174 (talk) 16:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC) He is secret but playable character. His story relates deeply with two characters Ryu and his big brother Gouken. It seems both brothers fighting eachother for ryu as also shown in akuma vs ryu trailer too. And also three are related with eachother because gouki mentioned ryu as a cub while he was not young child but a grown man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.65.151.73 (talk) 14:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Akuma helping people?

"He has been known to occasionally help people in need."
How so? I'm a casual fan, so I don't know as much about SF as many other people, but I can't remember a single event in which he actually helped another person. It's mostly been him beating the everliving hell out of people, or causing misery for others (i.e. wrecking an innocent freighter). TerminusEst13 4:23 PM, August 25th, 2006

Welp, with the deletion of the trivia section, guess this is pretty much moot. TerminusEst13 10:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• This is probably in reference to the piece of art that shows Gouki saving a kid from falling off a cliff. Danny Lilithborne 12:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Gouki in his Zero 3 account tells how he rescued a lost boy that wandered into the Cave of Kiga. The account is found in the book All About Street Fighter Zero 3.Vasili10 01:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

This dude's psycho

Would it be a fair characterization to say Akuma is a psychopath?--24.217.183.224 19:26, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

No. -Zero^Talk 10:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 04:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

..Not at all. He is quite controlled and has an incredibly well-defined moral code.

Despite his intentions, his attitude, his usage of the Ansatsuken fighting stle and his apparence, you can hardly call Akuma a psycho. For one thing I haven't heard or seen fiction where Akuma goes around killing innocents for kicks. I heard at one point, he saved a child who fell into his cave he was uing for training. His Japanese name,Gouki, can mean "Chivalrous demon" for one thing. MightyKombat 13:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

He is evil, but not the 'kill everyone' kind of evil, just the 'no problem with killing' kind of evil. He will kill in a fight, but only in a fight, other than that, he isn't so bad. 83.33.244.225 (talk) 13:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

What does this mean

that he is some sort of saviour or just an anti-villain type of character.who can explain well..?

1. Proof that Shin Akuma saving the world-http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters3/shinakuma-end.jpg202.185.23.30 07:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

LMAO!--Kim Kusanagi (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to know the source of that picture. I'm actually pretty interested in this whole Akuma saving the world thing.Yong-eul shin (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

"slideshow

Would it be possible to have it so that when you click on the image of Akuma, you can flick through different images, sort of like a slideshow? You've got the SNK style artwork of him but I really like the Capcom artwork too. Doom jester 13:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

No. -Zero^Talk 04:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay. BTW, to whoever's been adding in all the Capcom art though, well done, because it looks awesome. Actually I think the best artwork of Akuma is the picture that was in the Street Fighter EX manual, by his profile. It'd be cool to see that one on this page somewhere. Doom jester 13:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

That would be me. Thanks for the comment. I'll try to find the EX art if I can. -Zero^Talk 14:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

No offence, but can we stop messing around with the artwork and get to what's really important here, the article. (Daily grind 02:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

What makes you think we aren't? -Zero^Talk 12:08, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Is it alright if I ask for someone to change the article picture of Akuma/Gouki to his [char. selection] pic in Capcom vs. SNK 2? I don't particularly like his original pic from SSFT2 ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kain tl (talk • contribs) 12:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Translating Gouki

First off, it's a name, not a real Japanese word like Akuma is, so I'm not sure it needs to be translated. Secondly, I must object to the current translation of "Strong Demon." 鬼 can refer to numerous different supernatural entities, even ghosts and spirits. Similarly, 豪 is much closer to "great" or "powerful" than "strong." I am going to edit this. If you revert, please explain here first. --feitclub 21:13, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

Whereas I do agree that 豪 is more like great/powerful than "strong", in my experience, I have only seen 鬼 taken as the kanji for "Oni". The S 04:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Along those lines, I must ask how "ten" 天 in Japanese (sky) looks anything like "jigoku" 地獄 (hell). I must also ask how the "top stroke" of "ten" can ever be made upside down, when it is in fact a straight line. It should also be noted that "ten" is merely "sky" whereas tengoku (sky-country) is actually "heaven". - Nekochan

• Sorry about that. It was fancruft added by an anon and overlooked by all the editors (including myself). It's been removed. Danny Lilithborne 20:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
• Uhm "Akuma turns his back and a kanji meaning "heaven" (or arguably "rest in peace") appears on his back" is still in there, and I argue that the kanji is not "heaven" at all. - Nekochan
  • There's many instances where the "ten" kanji is translated to "heaven" as a shorthand for "tengoku". I don't believe it's inaccurate. Read the Akuma section of Tiamat's FAQ. [1] Danny Lilithborne 21:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
• I am a native Japanese speaker and I do speak some Mandarin as well. I strong disagree with the tanlation of "powerful spirit" from the position of a native. That is correct to translat 豪(gou) as great/powerful. But translation of 鬼(ki) can never be sprits or ghosts. That is only in Mandarin language means 鬼(guei) as aforesaid meanings. There is another character for spirts in Japanese 霊 or 魂. Take a look at Oni (mythology)(鬼=ki) that should give you a clue. It needs to be translated as demons or ogres, always physical evil mighty monstors but never something fuzzy like ghosts in Japanese language. Since Capcom is NOT a Chinese Video game developer but Japanese, his name 豪鬼 should be translated as "great/powerful (whichever you like) deamon" Btw his name in English "Akuma"(悪魔) originally means Deamon in Japanese.　豪鬼(gouki) is also Homonym of the word 豪気(gouki) which means daring, valor or bold. Let me make statements about the character 天(ten) on his back as well. The single character 天 often mean "sky" or "heaven". In this case it can mean a lot. We can take it as 昇天 wich means R.I.P. There is an idiom 天下無敵 meaning "matchless under the sun" more of the game players in Japan take the character of 天 as this way. There's a back ground story Akuma's elder brother Gouken had the Japanese character 無(mu) which means "null" or "none". Togheter they go 天下無敵. I think if you ask Capcom, they will just say that's up to the video game players how they take it. So they left the Japanese character with only one that can be taken as several meanings.--Takora D
• Correct me if I'm wrong, but from where I come from, "ten" is pronounce as "tien".

14:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• That's only in Mandarin but not in Japanese.--Takora D 16:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
• I don't think the kanji on Akuma's back is 天 (ten), but rather 夭 (you), which translates as "early death" or "calamity". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.12.41.25 (talk) 16:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I wholeheartedly concur. The kanji on Akuma's back is not 天 (ten / amatsu) for "sky", but rather 夭 (you / wakai) for "early death; calamity". Note the curvature in the top line, which is quite clearly distinguishable in the game. In fact, the kanji 夭 is much more in line than 天 with common themes for Satsui no Hadou techniques which are described with 滅 (metsu: destruction; ruin) and 殺 (satsu: murder). Estevaocm (talk) 18:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

豪 means brave, heroic, chilvarous 鬼 means ghost, spirit of dead, devil 199.117.69.8 (talk) 22:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The Animated GIF

Which game is this GIF taken from? Is reuing frames of animation considered a copyright violation? --feitclub 05:57, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Merging with Sheng Long

I don't who proposed this but I strongly disagree. Akuma/Gouki is an actual, popular Street Fighter character. Sheng Long isn't a character at all, it's a Chinese reading of "rising dragon [punch]." --feitclub 13:51, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you. However merging the "Origins of Akuma" section in Sheng Long would really make sense, since the content in that page duplicates the one in this section. I've tagged the involved section and page, and would like to proceed if there is consensus. --Lorenzo80 12:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that "Origins of Akuma" section should remain in Akuma/Gouki, that's were Akuma came from so why delete it? Instead the Sheng Long article should redirect to Akuma, cause everything is explained there and Sheng isn't a character at all and is not necessary as an aricle. Aeneiden-Rex 13:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Even if Sheng Long isn't a real character, I still think it deserves its own article; there is content (the EGM fake reporter, the new joke about street fighter 3, some background about the hoax, etc.) that doesn't really fit in Akuma's article and is large enough to spawn a standalone article. Let's keep the section "Origins of Akuma", but stripped of the duplicate content, and have it link to Sheng Long to know the whole story. What about that? --Lorenzo80 15:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

ACTUALLY AKUMA IS ALSO A SHENLONG BUT AN EVIL VERSION OF SHENLONG. IF YOU DUMB HEADS SEE AKUMA IN S.S.F.T.2 WHEN YOU SELECT IN HIS DARK FIGURE HIS HAIR STYLE AND FACE REPRESENT SOME SORT OF DRAGON IMAGE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.180.245 (talk) 18:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

EGM Sheng Long April Fools Joke

I vaguely remember the EGM joke and, if I recall correctly, the joke was in the form of a letter from a fictional reader. The reader's made-up name and address (again, if I remember correctly), sounded phoentically similar to "Waste Tokens" and "Fooled Again, HA". Can anyone confirm this? --67.174.54.26 22:07, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I remember that. The name was "W.A. Stokins" from "Fuldgan, HA" -- SAMAS

Shen long is real

Actually shen long is real characters first one is Gouken and the other is alternate version of the Shen long the one who is own the dark side that is Gouki. If you really know street fighter games than look Gouki image in super street fighter 2 when it is display on the vs screen carefully. If you see you will see that Gouki hair style and face represent the some sort of Dragon image.

• He is not real. Give it up. JuJube (talk) 22:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

But dragon image is reflect in Gouki picture in vs title belive it or not.

ACTUALLY AKUMA IS ALSO A SHENLONG BUT AN EVIL VERSION OF SHENLONG. IF YOU DUMB HEADS SEE AKUMA IN S.S.F.T.2 WHEN YOU SELECT IN HIS DARK FIGURE HIS HAIR STYLE AND FACE REPRESENT SOME SORT OF DRAGON IMAGE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.146.254 (talk) 14:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Origin of Animated GIF

The animated GIF is from Street Fighter III: Fight for the Future. As far as a potential copyright violation, it's a "ripped" sprite, but personally I'm not worried about it. --Cajunstrike 21:18, Jun 24, 2005

Do we really need that Animated GIF in the article? It slows down the loading and uses up space, as well as that one is not useful to the article. Most articles have only non-animated images. --[email protected]

Why Shotokan?

Can somebody please tell me why people keep referring to Ken, Ryu, and Akuma as Shotokan martial artists when they are actually Ansatsuken students? It's been bugging me for so long. Was there ever any indication besides the way these students fought that they were Shotokan practitioners?

You can blame that on Capcom of America. See Tiamat's Street Fighter Plot Guide for a rough explanation. 164.76.162.246 1 July 2005 12:57 (UTC)

cyber akuma

New user added this unformatted part in a separate entry for "cyber akuma", which I have redirected here. Can anyone with a better grasp of the game copyedit: A rip-off clone of Akuma(Gouki in Japan)who has some machine parts in him. He was made by Apocalypse in Marvel Super Heroes VS. Street Fighter. A Half of his face is metal. One of his eyes looks like a beam shooter. He has a jet pack built in him. He also has metal clogs. He was killed by Sakura Kasugano,Akuma,Ryu or Dan Hibiki.But the fact of who beat and killed him is unknown. ? lots of issues | leave me a message 00:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

dark blue gi? not black?

Isn't Akuma/Goukis 'gi' black & not dark blue? 67.5.213.122 03:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

• ...Does it really matter..?-MegamanZero 9:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Usually it does... Messatsu 01:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
• If you look at the comic character of Venom, you can see that although he's supposed to be black, he is usually colored with blue. So I think it's blue is chosen for a more practical reason. It's easier to to show the details that way. 84.166.70.60 23:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)デルジ

Actually akuma has a dark blue gi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.146.254 (talk) 14:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Three times in a row?

The article now says: Sometime later Akuma observed a tournament that was taking place, and when the final round approached he jumped in and fought one of the finalists while the other was in the changing room. Winning the fight and taking his opponent's life, Akuma fled the tournament. (Posted by Daily grind on 09-12-2005)

I never heard any of that, in SFII yes in SFIII yes, but outside of that I never heard any of that. Where is that information from?ShotokanTuning 19:31, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

• It's the tournament Adon took part in, I dont recall the title. But while he was preparing in the changing room Akuma lept into the ring and defeated/killed Adon's challenger then left. As for evidence, it happens in Adon's Street Fighter Alpha 2 ending and has been confirmed by Capcom to be official. I suppose I should have elaborated more on the tournament, but I thought since this is Akuma's article not Adon's it would be slightly pointless to give it more of an expansive mention. (Daily grind)

• The event you're talking about in SFIII (Akuma wiping Gill away with the Shun Goku Satsu) seems not to be confirmed by Capcom as canon. See also discussion page for Shun Goku Satsu. --Lorenzo80 22:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Shin Gouki and the nature of his power...

The Shin Akuma entry in the article seems to imply that Gouki must reach some higher state or plateau to achieve the power that is definitive of "Shin Gouki". I personally believe that this is incorrect, and there's another theory roaming about (noted in Tiamat's comprehensive SF Plot giude) stating that Gouki is in fact Shin Gouki with a merciful attitude. That usually means that Shin Gouki (who is probably one of the strongest fighters in the entire SF universe) holds back punches and voluntarily limits the use of his power (much like Oro with his bounded arm - coincidentally, Oro is also one of the strongest fighters in the SF universe), as depicted in his normal Gouki form.

On a side note, Shin Gouki from CvS2 is not the same Shin Gouki of SF canon, as I understand that the Shin kanji in CvS2 refers to "Divine" (a.k.a. God Gouki), rather than "true/real". Besides, he gains the power in CvS2 from absorbing the Orochi "curse" residing in Rugal...which further creates a complicated crossover plotline.

Note akuma has blue flames in his taunt stance in alpha series so it is possible that in further games he has given ability to use flames with his dragon punch in his shin akuma form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.146.254 (talk) 14:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, if you read the japanese Wiki, Shin Gouki si Gouki using even more of the Satsui no Hadou. Although I can't find the official canon on this statement, that's at least another way of looking at it.Machikenka (talk) 09:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Um, Shin Gouki is Gouki. The "Shin" means "true" (except in CvS2 which has been explained) and is Akuma not holding back, as he does when he is selectable. I would not take the Japanese Wiki to be somehow more authoritative since it is still a Wiki. JuJube (talk) 09:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, He's still Gouki, what you're saying is just another way of explaining it, he holds back by not using his full power, i.e. more Sns. Our sentences don't contradict. Machikenka (talk) 11:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think its the same as Serious Mr. Karate in SVC Chaos, Akuma just gets serious, and thus, Shin Akuma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yong-eul shin (talk • contribs) 19:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Shin Akuma, Ult Rugal Hybrid Guy

Has anyone seen the ending in Capcom versus SNK 2 where, if you defeat Ult. Rugal with Shin Akuma, it's like the two of them get combined into one super-powerful dude? I can't remember exactly what happens, because I've only done it a couple of times (it's pretty hard to get to see it), but this is for real, I'm certain. I can get a screen grab if you want, although it might take a while. Anyway, I'm wondering if any of you guys know who this Ult. Ruglal combined with Shin Akuma guy is because it's a cool ending. Basically from what I remember he looks a bit like a more powerful version of Shin Akuma but with a bare chest. BTW no, I'm not talking about the ending where Rugal gives his power to Akuma. And as far as I can tell, there's no way of playing as the guy either. Thanks. Doom jester 13:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I've beaten (the Arcade and Playstation 2 versions of) the game forty or more times, and I've never seen this character you reference. Furthermore, I've tinkered with the entire scope of character-altering hexadecimals, so unless he's very well hidden in the game, I don't believe such a thing exists. I'd love for someone to prove me wrong, though. The S 03:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think he means that this is a hidden playable character, just that there's a hidden ending for Shin Akuma. Danny Lilithborne 03:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... I will go and do some research on this ending, then. I also have the hexadecimal coding for endings, so I will begin there. The S 03:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Uhh... I've beaten both Shin Akuma and Ult. Rugal and nothing like this happens. They just get angry and then get swept up into a void and "disappear." Then you get that character as a playable one. They sort of "combine" already when Rugal absobs Akuma's "energy" or Akuma absorbs Rugal's orochi. -- 66.194.121.226 12:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

For the record, who you fight at the end of the game gives you different endings. To fight Ult. Rugal, Rugal will absorb Akumas power and then you have to fight him. The ending shows Ult. Rugal start to lose his mind because he cannot control Akumas power. After a short struggle, Akuma manages to take over Ult. Rugals body. The end result is a supposed, "God of Fighting" He's got the face of Akuma, white hair, and wears Rugals clothing. But, it's just an artwork, it's not in a sprite form, so, I highly doubt he'd be playable at all

I defeated Uber Rugal using the trio of Evil Ryu, Akuma and Shin Akuma, but I didn't get this ending. Do you have to beat him one on one or something? Silver Fang 07:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

possible copyright violation

The Origin of Akuma section seems more then similar in wording to Arcade History's page It has slight re-wording, but is almost exactly the same. Coolgamer 02:08, 21 January 2006 (UTC) The combioned Akuma and Rugal! Ive seen him, I don't think he is unlockable. I have been looking on the net to see if he is

Hello dear sirs and ladies, I am answering your questions regarding the character shown after defeating ultra rugal in capcom vs snk. Firstly I would like to mention is that no, you cannot play with this character, in other words this chatacter is unplyable. he is more of a 'what if' character had rugal beaten akuma and taken his powers. But rugal didnt beat akuma as you alrady know. Secondly I want to answer your question as to the identity of this new character. This character is not rugal, as if rugal by chance had been able to beat and absorb akumas power he still wouldnt be able to control it hence it would destroy him as it shows in the end. What you get is akuma restored with the addition of rugals power in him. in simple words that character is akuma overcoming ultra rugal and reaching new level of power. So both endings are in favour of akuma, because he cannot get peace. The only way he can achieve peace and rest is by ryu and that fight will take some time to take place as it would be the be be all and end all of all fiction fights done ever. Last but not least Gouken, Sheng long and Goutetsu need their own pages in wikipedia and shouldnt be merged with akuma because they are all chatacters in their own right. But more of that next time. Take care

Translating Akuma's Victory Lines

Hi.

Does anyone know what Akuma is saying when he wins in the games that he's in? I'm not sure about all the other games, but in Capcom versus SNK 2 and Street Fighter EX, he has a few different things he says when he wins. One of these, in CVSNK2 sounds something like "Shorsh!". It would be really interesting if there was a section of the article covering his lines from the different Street Fighter games, and what they mean in English.

Cheers. Doom jester 11:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Even if they are translated, the information doesn't belong here. Please place quotes over at wikiquote. -Zero^Talk 11:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Shin Gouki's name in CVS?

豪鬼?

LGMᚂ 23:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• Your question is? I assume you are asking for the meaning of it. The word in your image dosen't exist in computer system. It combines the kanji "神"(god) with "人"(human). So it roughly means someone is superior to human and near to god (though still not fully a god). It's pronounced Shin, same with the "真" of "真豪鬼" which means Real Gouki or Serious Gouki. The additional name of Mr Karate as his boss version in SVC Chaos also means Serious Mr Karate, which is comparable with "真豪鬼". But the "豪鬼" is difference to "真豪鬼", and it's unique in CVS storyline. It's caused by Gouki's encounter with Rugal. He accidentally absorbs Rugal's dark power, which can be traced to Orochi, thus becomes the "豪鬼". --Mato Rei 10:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Akuma using SGS on Gill

He (Akuma) even successfully pulled off a Shun Goku Satsu on the tournament sponsor Gill, although he left without realizing that Gill had resurrected himself. Whether this event is canon or not is disputed. See the discussion page about Shun Goku Satsu [2]. --81.174.32.62 08:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC) cannon wise akuma uses his shungokusatsu on three people goutetsu, gouken and m.bison. although he even killed adon and his opponent but not using shungokusatsu. he even easily capable to destroy gill but not with shungokusatsu. and thats why gill come too life.because after sgs soul goes to another mostly goes in hell and trap in the hell forever and never come back again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.164.254 (talk) 18:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Wrong. Gouki did not specifically use SGS on Gouken. It's unknown.--Kim Kusanagi (talk) 17:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Well it says like that after Gouki defeated Gouken and left him in critical condition. some says Gouken was fall down from the cliff and his body was not found. Its also appear that when ryu or ken in rage search for Gouki. M.bison appeard and take revenge from gouken by killing him. But it is assured Gouken and the Gen are two people who donot die from shungokusatsu.

SGS doesn't actually bring people to hell (a mistranlsation that was explained before the SGS got redirected to Gouki), but of course, we know that Gen blocked it, (Not "received it" as millions of gamers would see) so naturally wouldn't die from it. The Gouken bit is now left hanging because we don't know if capcom's going to say what really (retconningly) happened.Machikenka (talk) 09:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thinking that the raging demon takes people to hell is missing the point of eastern martial art naming conventions. Does Honda literally turn into a demon when he uses his super? It's just a fancy name. Right now, of all the characters who've had the raging demon used on them, only Goutetsu has failed to return. Gouken and Bison have both returned, Gen ignored it, and Gill just resurrected (apparently).

The Raging Demon seems like a pretty damn sure way to extend someone's life, not end it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.188.69 (talk) 20:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Real soul is send to the hell by Gouki. in the street fighter 4 ending we can clearly see the new M.Bison body collecting information from his enemies like Rose, Seth etc about his past. this reflect Real Bison is no more it is only a clone.

Meaning literally sky

If "Ten" means literally sky instead of heaven, what does sora mean? Hackwrench 08:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

sky

• Japanese Kanji usually have several meanings, changing depending on context and reading. 天 (ten) can mean Heaven, Sky or even Imperial. 空(sora) can also mean Sky and even Empty or Vacant.84.166.70.60 23:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC) デルジ

I'll add to that, It's what he said, but more specifically 'Ten' will mean different things when paired off with different words. 天国 is Heaven, 空 (sora) is sky (with the clouds and all). 空 (Kuu) alone is not sky but (empty) space. BUT 天空 (TenKuu) IS Sky, like as in, the empty space above. Haha, confusing? If you want the most basic physical meaning of what 天 (ten) alone is, then it is the opposite of 地(chi)　. Literally The Space Above vs the ground below. So actually 天 alone is actually *not* 'sky'! Surprised? However, 天　is widely used to mean Heaven because so many so many words it links with are connected to Heaven, Like fate, heaven, providence, etcetcetc that many people just look at Ten like it means (connected) to heaven.

And in Gouki's case, it's definitely connected to heaven (*Not* Sky like many people will tell you). And if you understand how Gouki is deeply connected to buddhism, you'll realise that the 天　may very very well signify that he's connected to the heavens in that he is pursuing the path of the Shura, 阿修羅道. I kid you not. I'd go as far as to contrast Gouken's Mu vs His Ten but this is the Gouki page and I shall do so somewhere else.

Well, just something for everyone to know.Machikenka (talk) 06:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Satsui No Hadou-Styled, or Satsui No Hadou Ryuu?

We're talking about a discipline that came from Japan, and knowing that Akuma DID in fact based his mode of combat purely on the Satsui No Hadou. Don't you guys think it's better to say "Satsui No Hadou Ryuu Ansatsuken"? Because if you say "Satsui No Hadou Styled Ansatsuken", then it would have no pure Japanese meaning, but if you guys say "Satsui No Hadou Ryuu Ansatsuken", then it would mean Assasination Techniques from the Intention to Murder. Remember that in this case, "Ken" should mean "Technique" rather than "Fist". So Ansatsuken should mean "Assassination Techniques" or Assassination Routines in this case. Or better yet, Assassination Moveset. So I would have to say "Satsui No Hadou Ryuu Ansatsuken" or "Murderous Intentional school of Assassination Techniques". — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 03:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Officially, his fighting style is simply "Ansatsuken". I think that would be best. Danny Lilithborne 03:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

But I don't know why in the world would some sources say "Satsui No Hadou styled Ansatsuken"....strange... — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 01:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

In the Animated Series

I seem to remember a scene in Street Fighter V (The Japanese Animation series of Street Fighter 2) in one of the early episodes (I think it was Trap, Prison, Scream of Truth, but I'm not positive), Akuma has a brief cameo standing in the airport. I remember it because I thought it was so out of place. Given that his other cameo from the series is in it, I think this should be added in the trivia section, although I'm not positive enough in the episode placement to confirm this.--Hawk405359 02:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

In my memories, Akuma makes a cameo in each episode of Street Fighter V; check also Street_Fighter_II_V.--Lorenzo80 06:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I have just watched the Animated Movie Of SF2 and there is a screen where it is possible to see a character that for me is akuma. try to check! it's just after the camera focuses on the city of calcutta, minute 25th... bye [Dust]

Correct, btw this is already documented in Street_Fighter_II:_The_Animated_Movie. Lorenzo80 07:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Inspiration

"The inspiration for the character of Akuma is usually credited to an April Fools joke which appeared in the April 1992 issue of EGMF, about a nonexistant hidden character named Sheng Long in Street Fighter II."

Would someone please provide an official reference for this? Otherwise it should be removed. (Citing similarities is not considered a source as being the inspiration). CPitt76 17:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tags

This article is written from an in-universe perrspective. I suggest reading WP:WAF for why this is a prroblem and how to fix it; currently, this article is so poorly attributed to sources that I wouldn't know where to begin.

Additionally, this is AAAAAALL plot summary and no real-world content. That's not kosher. The plot summaries need to be rewritten into shorter overviews of the plot and some sort of content not sourced to direct observation of the games needs to be provided.

This is pretty much what {{plot}} and {{in-universe}} always mean, but someone wanted a talk page explanation, so here you go. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 11:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The Other EGM April Fools Joke

Some people mentioned the EGM Sheng Long joke above, just thought I'd point out the other one. There was an April Fool's joke of Akuma being a playable character in Resident Evil 2. --ScarletSpiderDave 09:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Speculation and Canonical Consideration of Gouki being Ryu's Father?

In the recent 2005 movie "Street Fighter Alpha Generations" Gouki's backstory hints that he had an affair with Goutetsu's daughter, and that she was pregnant, it is later revealed that she died during childbirth and that the child was handed over to the monk by Gouken. Ryu mentions having run away from a temple when he was little, only to somehow be found by Gouken and trained along with Ken. And the Monk in the movie mentions someone he promised to take care of for Gouken, running away, he also mentions keeping the promise that the boy he took care of not follow in his father's footsteps, related to the Satsui no Hadou. Additionally, it is mentioned that the "bad Karma" known as Satsui no Hadou, has manifested itself in Ryu's and Gouki's bloodline, even Gouki hints at his blood relation to Ryu.

The question then, is this, is this movie considered Canon by Capcom? Or is it some sort of What If story? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.52.197.226 (talk) 09:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

The movie is not canon. It's an interesting plot twist. But, there is no relation between Akuma and Ryu... biologically, at least. Akuma is not Ryu's father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avadon (talk • contribs) 05:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

but story line give hints that its true gouki is ryu's father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.162.238 (talk • contribs)

Such as? JuJube (talk) 16:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The movie starts by also intro title "orignal story". Although characters may be non cannon but storyline is true. So story line give hints that its true gouki is ryu's father. also gouki gave hints of his power that is present in their blood line similarly this thing also mention in Ryu's alpha 2 ending. Otherwise akuma prefer to kill those who try to unleash his knowledge Actually akuma wanted to lead ryu towards dark side.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.103.2.186 (talk • contribs)

Normally, I'd say "don't bother, it's not canon". But the Udon comics are now considered canon by Capcom of USA (who seem to be in charge of Street Fighter now). They've said they don't know anything about the movies, though. JuJube (talk) 07:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Many people also belive when akuma come in his first street fighter(s.s.f.t.2) that he is mesterious father of ryu. the reason is that the code is start and end on ryu to select akuma.Similarly evil ryu code in al[pha 2 is linked with akuma. This thing represent they have mesterious link. and many people strongly belive that he is ryu's father. So this things also hinted in games. But not clearly appeared. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.180.245 (talk) 07:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes also S.S.F.T. 2 Gouki sound track theme is much closer to ryu's stage but too hard sound. that is cps 2. but in arcade game its stage theme is cps 2 one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.146.254 (talk) 14:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC) 

Also in alpha 3 evilryu ending Ryu said some thing like that "my fist is soaked with blood ... the blood of death!". mention the dark hadou blood line. This line is cannon but not the ending. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.158.67 (talk) 17:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Street fighter 4Ending quotes:

Akuma: This feeling... Yes! The Satsui no Hadō within him has awakened! You've sealed off his power? How dare you!?

Gouken: You'll never learn, will you, Akuma?

Akuma: Silence, fool! Raging Demon! You possess the power of nothingness? Interesting... Let this be a fight to the death. The winner claims this cub here.

cub is a big clue which shows that gouki claim for ryu from gouken also shows in the trailer ryu vs gouki and u understand better if u people have brain.

• Even the fact that your translation is original research aside, drawing any conclusions from Akuma calling Ryu a "cub" is quite obviously original research, and you'd understand better if you person have brain. JuJube (talk) 22:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

haha. jujube your udon nerd story and game story quite different. you should ashamed now. game story give speculation but not directly hint it even in ties bind it shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.41.0.164 (talk) 08:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Gouken/Goutetsu

• I don't really see the importance of these articles. They describe aspects of the SF storyline that are barely delved into in the games, and only expounded upon in non-canon stories such as the Udon comics. Gouken and Goutetsu were certainly never playable in any capacity and the articles are largely fancruft. Relevant data should be merged to the Akuma article (since their turns in the story mostly revolve around him) and the articles redirected. JuJube 01:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• • Well, I kinda have to disagree a bit there. Gouken was a Street Fighter character LONG BEFORE Gouki/Akuma was made. He was introduced in the Street Fighter II manga by Masahiko Nakahira long before Super Turbo was made and then canonize into the series' backstory in Akuma's backstory. Jonny2x4 15:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Gouken was never a playable character. It's pretty ridiculous that Gouken has an article but not Q. JuJube 00:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't really mind either way, but I think Gouken at the very least has more depth as a character than Q and everyone in SF1 combined to sustain a stand-alone article. All it needs is to be rewritten into a real word perspective.Jonny2x4 05:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Oh yeah, I think a stand-alone article on Q could work out, as long as it focuses on a real world perspective, instead of being a fictional biography. The Japanese article w:j:Q (ストリートファイター) is a perfect example of an OOU article on Q. Jonny2x4 06:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• I rewrote Gouken and Goutetsu from a real world perspective. It really wasn't that hard, considering they're short articles and I could see them being merged with Akuma. However, Akuma still needs a serious rewrite before that can happen. Jonny2x4 00:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

• I'd say keep as a separate article. While it may not be a main playable character we're talking about, said character is very important to the series canon and should be separated for clarity's sake at least. -- Hidoshi 09:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• If they were only related to Akuma in the series I'd say merge them, but Gouken has just as much to do with Ryu and Ken as he does with him. He's an important figure to the stories of three main characters. That should warrant his own article. After all, it's silly for links about Ryu's mentor to redirect to the Akuma page. If you're going to go that route, why should Akuma have him over anybody else? I can see maybe merging Goutetsu's page into Gouken's just for the sake of space, but that'd be it. -- Charagon 3-29-07

• Akuma, Gouken, and Goutetsu's articles should be kept seperate. First of all Akuma was Aained along side Gouken unded Goutetsu. Akuma kills Goutetsu and he and Gouken go their seperate ways. Akuma then kills Gouken after Ryu's and Ken's training is complete. Etc. So seeing as how they are all different people that relate to one another they should be kept in seperater articles. Also I suggest you all watch Street Fighter Alpha Generations. And please pay full attention to the movie before you judge it on "inaccuracy". (Edomatic 22:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC))
  • Alpha Generations is not canon. JuJube 04:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

• I also say keep them separate. They are characters in the Street Fighter mythology, and although they may need cleanup, they shouldn't be merged into here. Derekloffin 08:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

• Well, I've gotten basically no support for this, so I consider the matter closed. Just keep the cruft to a minimum, k, boys? ;) JuJube 04:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Akuma's gi

• It seems to be shown as blue in artwork, but black in most of his sprites. His alternate colors in ST more closely resemble the color shown in the artwork. JuJube 00:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Why did the American translators

Change his Japanese name to another Japanese name?

• I'm guessing it had to do with a mispronunciation of "Gouki" sounding like an ethnic insult. JuJube 23:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a much better theory about that. If you had ever played Super SF2 Turbo (which was Akuma's first appearances), you'll notice he's the only character whose name never appears on-screen. I'm guessing Capcom of Japan didn't tell Capcom USA his real name and back story, so they gave the character their own name and told people he was called Akuma because he was possessed by the devil (which was Capcom USA's original explanation for Akuma's powers) and the name kinda got stuck from Street Fighter Alpha and onward. It makes sense when you consider that he and Nash are the only characters besides the Grand Masters to get their names changed (and new names at that).Jonny2x4 20:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually Akuma is a secret parody to Takuma (Mr. Karate). Capcom had planned all of it since SSF2X. Because in their opinion, the Kyokugenryu Karate follows Ryu and Ken. But not until they created Dan Hibiki they had people's attentions. The two characters finally share the boss state in SVC Chaos. --Mato Rei 23:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

How does that work, since his original name is Gouki? JuJube 23:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

That's why it's secret. --Mato Rei 00:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I really doubt it. Capcom USA and Capcom Japan are rarely shown to ever be in any real cooperation. The closest thing was how James Goddard designed Dee Jay. JuJube 00:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

You know Akuma is a Japanese word, right? So whatever Capcom USA had done with Akuma, there is no way the name came out from them. It must be decided by some Japanese staff. --Mato Rei 00:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware. It's not like no one at Capcom USA knows Japanese. Also, Akuma was not an uncommon name, either (it was the name of the main bad guy in Karateka, too). JuJube 01:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to accept it and I have no intention to convince you. You wonder how the name came out and there is an explanation. Whether it's likely or not is up to you. --Mato Rei 02:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but your explanation is made up all by yourself. Thanks, but no thanks, that's not true. The "Akuma" name was chosen in the US because American producers thought he looked "evil" and "demonic", "demon-possessed", so he should be named like a demon.--Kim Kusanagi 23:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Gameplay

Why no mention of either Tenma Kuujinkyaku and Hyakki Shuu? --81.174.19.222 04:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

No idea. Maybe you can tell us what they are and what they do and we'll consider it. What say you? MightyKombat 12:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I added them and the Zenpou Tenshin, too. JuJube 03:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Who did the "capcom groove" artwork?

I've seen the snk style art for akuma credited to a certain artist and im curious to know who did the capcom styles in those games.--Neofcon 21:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Nishimura Kinu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.163.126 (talk) 05:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Akuma's Moves

If you know them list them please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.216.132.32 (talk) 17:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The official name of this character is Gouki, Akuma is the name that Capcom USA gave to him in that version of the game. Move this article to Gouki and redirect Akuma to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.45.111.67 (talk) 10:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• No. English Wikipedia, English names. JuJube 12:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Is not the "english wikipedia", is the wikipedia in english language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.45.111.67 (talk • contribs)

• Policy disagrees with you, Mr. Pocket Fighter 2. JuJube 06:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Portrait swapping?

Is it really necessary to change all of the SF2 character's portraits that frequently? --Veg20xx (talk) 11:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Omega Zero copied the Shun Goku Satsu?

Was it that necessary to just remove Omega's saber-copy of the Shun Goku Satsu? -- 174.155.253.183 (talk) 16:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)Zack M.

Kongou Koku Retsu Zan true meaning.

The Street Fighter Eternal challenge states that Kongou Koku Retsu Zan translates to "Country Destroying Adamantine Slash". The Street Fighter Eternal Challenge is as official as it gets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.163.126 (talk) 05:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Akuma training in Samoa?

I've read that Akuma left the guidance of Goutetsu's guidance to train in the isles of Samoa. I am interested in knowing where this information is found and what he did in Samoa. MFPen (talk) 22:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Streetfighter IV and Super Street fighter IV (Hawaii)

In Street Fighter IV and Super Street fighter IV, Akuma fight his rival Ryu in Hawaii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.197.132 (talk) 06:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Akuma reception and promotion

In order to avoid another edit war, I have created this. The reception section is too long for something that consists mostly of "Akuma was voted top 10 in this list by this site that isn't necessarily notable." There simply is no reason to have it that long, especially with some obscure and not notable sites being featured there. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 20:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Why you didn't cut off that long reception section before? Why now? And sorry, i don't care what you say! i don't care about your long section and stuff. Now when i listed all lists, you had to delete it. Why don't you cut off other long sections of other characters? why Akuma's. And first of all: it's not the main reason why i listed all those lists because he is my favourite. But because it should be listed. Go and cut off other sections as long as you want. Leave this at once. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disturbedasylum (talk • contribs) 14:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what kind of time period you mean by "before," but I was fairly inactive on Wikipedia for several months and have still only relatively recently gotten back to editing regularly. As I looked at the Akuma article, I noticed several problems, one of which was the overly long reception.

And again, not all the other long reception sections of some characters are like the one here, which includes not-notable sources, placings in lists like "Best Boss Battles" listed, and more. You can't just order me to stop touching the article. You don't own it. If you can't come up with any good reason to revert my edits other than "he is my favourite" and making bad comparisons to other "long reception sections" then there is no reason for your edits to continue to exist. At this point your edits are more disruptive than anything. Editing this article should be about improving it, not trying to glorify your favorite character. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 15:52, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

• You are both edit warring again. You need to work out your differences here. I'm not taking a position on the content itself, but Disturbedasylum, you need to discuss the content more than you have. Your comments above are not constructive. You can't just tell other editors to leave this character alone (see WP:OWN). If you are unwilling to discuss the content properly, then you simply can't justify the changes/additions to the article. Both of you are warned that if you continue to battle in the article, you may be blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

OK, I actually mean it this time. I will stop edit warring. Sorry, I'm just really frustrated with how this whole thing has been going.

I'll probably need to take another break from this article after this is all figured out. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 14:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Reliability of sources

I see that there has been some dispute over whether or not the article should be trimmed. I figured I could try to help some.

A few of the sources in the article, are not what Wikipedia consideres to be a reliable source. If you don't know how Wikipedia defines a reliable source, this link may help some. Also, there are a ton of examples of which sources have a consensus on reliability at WP:VG/S. Sergecross73 msg me 20:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

So then, point #1

• Cheat Code Central - I don't believe this is a Wikipedia-standard reliable source. The only discussion I've seen on it, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_2#9_Statis - shows that there seemed to be a consensus that it was not reliable. Therefore, I feel the content attributed to it should be removed. Sergecross73 msg me 20:52, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Sup Serge. Nice to see a third party come in.

Also, with some sources it's not really a question of reliability but notability. Is it really worth it to list praise from Akuma in an article about the "56 characters of Marvel vs. Capcom 2"? "Top Hidden Character in Fighting Games?" "Baddest Video Game Fighters Ever?" I don't really think so. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 21:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey Stickman. Yeah, I still have your talk page watchlisted from forever ago, and noticed there was a problem here, so I thought maybe I'd try to help. I certainly don't disagree with the notability of some of these awards, but I just wanted to start off slow, and address some of these sources that ar technically not useable anyways, and slowly take them out. I thought perhaps we could trim it down to an area in between the two revisions you guys have going on, as a compromise. Sergecross73 msg me 21:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I figure that I'm lucky to not be banned after being caught edit warring twice. :/

Anyhow, even with cutting down most of the reception I think that there could be some expansion done for general reception for Oni. In its current state, though, some of the sources don't really match up with what is actually written. I'm pretty sure there has been criticism for him being a knockoff of normal Akuma, but not in the GameSpot article he cites. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 01:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Notability doesn't play into the question of whether a source should be used, only reliability and editorial judgement (for the related content that the citation is supporting). Don't confuse the concepts. --Izno (talk) 02:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. As an uninvolved, third-party editor, I can help out: Reliable, third-party sources are needed to verify the material. However, there are some sources that are considered unusable by WP:VG standards per WP:VG/S. There are unreliable sources and situational sources. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I think Stickman meant more like "noteworthy", as in the awards he won aren't worth mentioning. Like the more "off-Wikipedia" definition of "notable". Or I could be wrong, but that's how I read it. Sergecross73 msg me 02:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, "notability" was not the best wording. Serge is right, I was going for a more "Is this worth mentioning?" angle on removing some of the sources. Is that fine? TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 12:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Anyways, so far no one has challenged my assertion that CCC is unreliable. I find it to be unreliable, and so does the only discussion I could find on it. Unless someone objects, I'm going to remove it. (Then we'll move on to some other sources/content.) Sergecross73 msg me 02:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead. I have no objections. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

You find the most random discussions just surfing around Wikipedia...anyway after reviewing what's been written here, you now have another uninvolved editor who supports the removal of CCC as a source. Too comical to be reliable. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Alright, it has been removed. On to another one:

• "imagamertoo.com" - Tagline "News from the view of a gamer". Sounds like a random guy with a random blog, not a reliable source with editorial oversight. Additionally, there is no actual text beyond the name of the list "Top fighters" and the characters names. There is no context or criteria. All reasons to remove, in my opinion. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 12:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I had previously looked over the blog myself and I support removing the source that cites it. Like Serge said, a random guy with a Blogger-powered blog. Something similar could be put together by someone else in minutes. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 13:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

• GameDynamo - So, first I was looking around the website to see if it looked reliable or not. They do have their own staff and whatnot, which can be a good sign. However, I stumbled upon something else. Here is their staff page. Here's the person who wrote the article used as a reference. You'll notice he's not on there, and his page is a "User-profile". It appears this wasn't written by staff, but rather, any ol' random person. Even with unquestionably reliable sources, like IGN, we can only use editors/staff content, not random blog-post stuff that anyone can sign up and write. Unless I'm seeing things wrong, this one should be removed as well. (If it is to stay, it needs to be changed though, as that direct quote is not in fact exactly what the article says.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks to me like the writer of the article used in the reception section was a former freelance writer for the site, not a random user. Clicking on the names of some of the users in the staff page brings up similar-looking profile pages. I'm not sure how this factors into the article's reliability. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 17:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If he was part of the staff at the time of writing it, then that would be okay. But then we need to figure out 1) Do we deem the website reliable? I don't see a prior consensus, so we'd need to find one here or start up a discussion somewhere like the talk page of WP:VG/S. 2)Is it worth including? As far as my stance goes:

1. Undecided if website is reliable. Never heard of them before, or as other reliable sources using them as their source, but they do have staff.
2. I'm leaning towards "Its not worth having in article.", mainly because its such a poorly written list. I mean, almost the entire paragraph on Akuma is actually him rambling on about making jokes and whatnot. Doesn't strike me as very serious of a source. The only truly usable bit of information that is relevant to "Reception" is the line that says "Akuma has the most devastating move in all of fighting." But even then, it doesn't really say anything beyond that. I say remove it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, looking at the article now, it doesn't look like a serious attempt to rank different characters by merit and instead relies too much on jokes (and not very good ones at that). A few typos, too. I agree with removing it. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 18:39, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

• ScrewAttack - Similar to what I was getting at with GameDynamo, I don't believe its reliable because it wasn't written by staff writer or a editor, but rather by a random user. Any person can sign up and write that. As such, it violates WP:SPS. Sergecross73 msg me 14:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, not a reliable source. MezzoMezzo (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this, again per SPS. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 20:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Sergecross 73 for telling me that those lists on CCC and GameDynamo weren't done by their staff, but by some random user The Stick Man should have told me that before. I thought that those lists were done by their staff members, not by some users, although they look reliable in some ways (to me, at least). Nevertheless, thank you for telling me that. And that you let that information where Complex ranked Akuma's fight from SSF2T as 2nd coolest boss fight in fighting games and Akuma himself as The Most Dominant Fighting Game Character. That's something that must be known to others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disturbedasylum (talk • contribs) 20:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen Complex be used as a source in a number of different character articles like this, so I'm pretty sure it's reliable. I don't challenge those ones. Sergecross73 msg me 20:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Disturbedasylum: I apologize for not being more specific on exactly what problems I had with your additions, but next time it would be better if you were more responsive on talk pages and made use of edit summaries more often.

And speaking of Complex, I think at the very least the bit on Akuma being ranked "one of the best boss battles ever" shouldn't be in the section. The actual article hardly mentions anything about Akuma himself, and the entire list is really more focused on stuff like "epic" moments and "badass" moves and not on actual merits of a character. I will admit that I shouldn't have removed the other Complex source, though. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 20:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

• Complex - I'm torn on this one. On one hand, Complex is a reliable source. On the other had, both are extremely light on actual content. There's much more fluff than actual rationale given in them. I mean, I'm still not quite sure why he was picked for either list. Because he unexpectedly appeared and killed M. Bison? Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the boss battle list. As for the "Most Dominant Fighter" list, I think there's some merit in it as being a list of "50 of the greatest fighting game characters", though it's true that there's not much actually said for each entry. I don't think it would hurt to keep it, but removal wouldn't be an issue, either. I'm neutral on this one. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 15:14, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I know DA feels strongly about this one, and we have been removing a lot of information of his, so it may be a good compromise to leave them in. It might not hurt to try to trim/reword them though... Sergecross73 msg me 01:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, we've removed pretty much everything so far, keeping that one Complex source wouldn't hurt. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 00:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - I've started a discussion over at RSN. Please post your comments there. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• I appreciate it..but...it kind of seems like everyone's in agreement. I was just going to ask if there was anything else needed to be discussed source-wise... Sergecross73 msg me 18:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• Hmm, you have a point. :) All right, I think we should remove the three sources that are deemed unreliable from other video game articles. Any comments or objections? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• I think I already have, unless I'm missing some. I've been removing them as we go, usually right before I started up discussion on the next source, simply because there was never any opposition. Sergecross73 msg me 19:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Anything else?

Sure, this article could use all sorts of fixing up with rewriting and whatnot, but is there anything else that needs to be discussed in regards to sources or content's relevency? Sergecross73 msg me 13:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Not really, other than the obvious rewriting. The little paragraph at the end about Oni contains content that doesn't match the sources cited for it. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 12:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll leave that sort of stuff up to you guys then, as I don't really have much background knowledge on Akuma personally, other than knowing he's a SF character. All I had to offer was knowledge on Wikipedia and reliable sources. (Might reword some stuff in the future though.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Name's translation

Sorry my english, is not good at all xD, but the name translation you were giving to "Gouki" is not correct, "Go" sometimes is used in Japan as an honorific, so you are right It means "Great" or "Greatness", but Ki doesn't means "Demon", also the kanjis you were using, was for the Chinese translation (remember the kanjis means different things in both Japan and China), so you were saying "Gou Gui" in Chinese, this means "Bold Ghost" it's maybe Ok, but in Japanese it means "Great Oni", the Oni is a mitical creature of the Japanese culture and also is a name of one Akuma's transformations in the Street Fighter's series, but still the correct translation for the name is "Great Soul" or "Soul of Greatness", I put this here because maybe you're gonna undo my last edit :P Greetings and hugs for everyone over there! (PD: Once again, sorry my english xP) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.237.8 (talk) 22:09, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Particular Complex source

The following has been added, and then re-added a second time, to the article:

Complex compared Akuma to Heihachi Mishima in a list "Tale of the Lape: Street Fighter X Tekken's A-Alikes", predicting it would be a draw.

Now, Complex is a reliable source, and the info is supported by the source, so I'm not challenging that. My problem is that its not really "Reception". "Reception" is supposed to be a source giving some sort of "review" or "judgement" on a topic. I don't believe this qualifies. All this is, is a person giving their random thoughts on hypothetical predictions on a hypothetical fight between two fictional characters. There's no real content or context either, just "both guys are tough" ramblings. It contributes nothing to the article, and gives no real value or judgement upon Akuma.

Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 14:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Sergecross73. I didn't saw that one coming. I thought that last information you removed was actually a reception not some source predicting a winner. DisturbedAsylum

Does this mean you are now okay with removing it then? Sergecross73 msg me 14:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I would assume so. That said, even if we were removing more reception on Akuma you still shouldn't revert without an edit summary (again) or without coming to the talk page first (again). TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 15:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm okay now with that. DisturbedAsylum — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disturbedasylum (talk • contribs) 16:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Reception

Cleaned up the reception section, reducing the total number of citations therein from an insane 80 down to 35. Many cites were from excessive repetition of several sources, some for the most trivial of reasons. There's only so many "best Street Fighter character" rankings needed. sixtynine ^{• speak up •} 23:52, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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