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While I have some books out of the library, I am planning to expand this article. From working on 1934 German referendum, it appears that {{sfn}}s would be the easiest citation style to use on this page. Thoughts and/or objections? HouseBlastertalk 06:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 February 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as to all, with the caveat that the 1929 referendum will be titled 1929 German Young Plan referendum. Whether any of these should be merged into separate topics is for a separate discussion. BD2412 T 15:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


WP:NC-GAL, the naming guideline for referendums, sets out the naming format for referendums as being [date] [country name or adjectival form] [type] referendum", for example 1946 Faroese independence referendum, though it is worth pointing out some referendum articles do not have the [type] added, because it is too complex to explain in a few words or the referendums cover multiple topics. However, I do not think this is the case for these four articles (particularly not the first two listed)

I had assumed the move of this article would be uncontroversial given the naming convention (and made it a short time ago), but it was was reverted because it made the article title inconsistent with others, so now using the formal RM process.

I think the proposed titles of the 1933 and 1926 articles should be uncontroversial and in line with the naming guideline. I am not 100% convinced that there are not better alternatives for the 1929 and 1934 articles, which I am happy for alternatives to be suggested or simply to keep them at the existing titles if they are deemed to awkward. However, I felt that given the move of this article was reverted because the other articles hadn't been moved, it would be best to cover this in a single discussion, even if it is a little messy, so it might be best for responders to indicate whether they approve of all or merely some of the proposals (or none). Cheers, Number 57 17:08, 23 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 10:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems good to move these to more descriptive titles, but I think WP should make some effort to identify common names (I find it hard to believe that these don't exist). For 1926, the term "princes" should really be included, but I don't know how that would be achieved. For 1929 Volksentscheid gegen den Young-Plan "referendum against the Young Plan" is used by several of the citations in the article and seems clearer than "1929 German Freedom Law," which is also potentially pov. It doesn't follow the naming guideline, but a common name would trump a topic-specific guideline. 1933 and 1934 seem fine. Furius (talk) 21:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the 1926 one could be expanded to 1926 German royal property expropriation referendum? The 1929 one could be simply 1929 German Young Plan referendum (which would bring it in line with 1977 South West African Turnhalle Plan referendum or 2004 Cypriot Annan Plan referendums). Cheers, Number 57 01:46, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Furius: Did you have a view on these alternatives? Cheers, Number 57 08:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For 1926, I would have "princely" rather than royal, since most prince's weren't ever kings. 1929 is good indeed. Furius (talk) 11:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Furius: Princes are still royalty and not all the rulers being dispossessed were princes – some were kings (like Ludwig III of Bavaria) and others were dukes. As a result I think "princely" would be misleading (as well as being quite an awkward word to use). Number 57 14:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In a German context, "prince" (Fürst) refers to any German sovereign regardless of title. "Royal" would refer only to that minority with the title of king. Cf. the main article on this event on WP Expropriation of the Princes in the Weimar Republic. Furius (talk) 19:36, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't German Wikipedia though, and I doubt most English-speaking readers will be familiar with the nuances. And I also disagree that "royal" refers onto to kings. Princes are royalty too. Number 57 20:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that most readers don't know something is no excuse for saying something that is incorrect. Furius (talk) 20:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the article on the 1926 referendum should probably just be merged into Expropriation of the Princes in the Weimar Republic, which is largely about that referendum. Furius (talk) 19:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.