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Dr. Thom Wainggai

Hi, can I draw all your attentions to the page Dr. Thom Wainggai, a West Papuan politician that I've recently tagged with {{POV}}. I did this after a comment left by Arjayay at the Help Desk;

Is there anyone here with any knowledge of West Papua, or more specifically West Papuan politics?

I found a fairly new article Dr. Thom Wainggai which appears to be written by a political supporter, and includes a section entitled "WORST TRIAL EVER", which is clearly not NPOV.

Although there do appear to have been some irregularities, I suspect the sources have been cherry-picked to support the PoV being presented. Having no knowledge of West Papua whatsoever, could anyone who does, please have a look?

— Arjayay, Help Desk

I've also left a similar message at the article's talk page and the page creator's talk page. Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  15:20, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AfC submission

See Draft:Kentot Harseno. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 20:03, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Miangas

Miangas is now included in WP:Tambayan Philippines.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 04:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No need, it is an Indonesian territory. Molecule Extraction (talk) 05:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The WP:Wikihounding is getting creepy. Please. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 06:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Island of Palmas Case (Miangas)

This is historically (and geographically connected to the Philippines. A collaboration between the two projects is needed to make the article better. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:56, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Surya Semesta Internusa

Hi, would someone (preferably an Indonesian-speaker) be able to confirm whether Surya_Semesta_Internusa is a notable company? It appears to be a public company in Indonesia with several thousand employees and a market capitalization of Rp 3.4 tn - however most sources appear to be in Indonesian. Thanks. astro (talk) 16:56, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

South Likupang

Please help to deveop this page and the pages describing villages.Xx236 (talk) 07:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Panasonic Gobel Award winners has been nominated for discussion

Category:Panasonic Gobel Award winners, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Media upload of images from Dutch East Indies/Indonesia

Dear project-members,

I would like to draw your attention to two media uploads that may be of relevance to your project:

The Royal Netherlands Institute of Southeast Asian and Caribbean Studies and Leiden University Library donated 3114 images to Wikimedia Commons as a follow-up to an earlier donation containing 2400+ images. The new donation contains photos, lithos, drawings, watercolours showing people, landscapes, plantations, plants and butterflies from countries such as Suriname, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan and Singapore. The upload was carried out by Hans Muller.

The National Museum of World Cultures (a merger of the former Tropenmuseum, the Museum Volkenkunde and the Afrika Museum) donated a collection of 720 images to Wikimedia Commons. This donation consists of photos of objects from the museum's collection, and of photos taken during Dutch scientific and military expeditions in Suriname and the Dutch East Indies.

Kind regards, --AWossink (talk) 12:11, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Note re Visitor/Tourist....

This project currently has two parallel trees related to Attractions (In Indonesia in the 1990s known as Turism Obyek or similar) -as a result of [1] CFD - there will be an attempt over time to try re-configure the trees into a coherent and consistent format. in time...

the intention is to change every visitor attraction category item into tourist - as designated at the CFD listed above

JarrahTree 08:17, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Minor FYI: the Indonesian term for tourist attractions, afaik, is obyek wisata. - HyperGaruda (talk) 09:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed - obyek wisata - object of interest to visitor/tourists - an oxymoron - if there ever was one JarrahTree 01:21, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ChiBi Crush Rangers

Would someone from this WikiProject mind taking a look at ChiBi Crush Rangers and assessing it. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redundancy in Schedule Table

The Schedule Table at 2013 Islamic Solidarity Games has 4 empty (and unnecessary) date columns at the beginning. Who knows how to remove them safely? Please do so. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 05:24, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

10,000 Challenge

Hi, if anybody would be interested in doing a 10,000 article improvement challenge for Singapore and Southeast Asia and national contests for Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines etc please comment at my proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Southeast Asia.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi this is the Indonesian project - not even mentioned etc? - someone has just tried to say the Southeast Asia project is inactive as well, good set of hits! JarrahTree 01:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regency and Districts

In a large number of articles here in the project - there are many lists of names of places for no real purpose in no particular order, with no attempt at anything but the 'list' and no refrences

They are basically unlinked and meaningless.

For any of the few Indonesian project editors still watching this page - the question is - delete or what? lists of names do not do anything for the articles at all. JarrahTree 01:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what you are talking about. Could you please give an example? --HyperGaruda (talk) 05:02, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Kendal_Regency has a clear indication - and no added lists at all
Demak Regency - different style - but ok as well
Banyumas_Regency - again different but with information that is linked and referenced

what I cam concerned about is items like: -

Baktiya
Banda_Sakti

It does not really help the larger project to have such variant contents in such articles, no one really learns anything from such lists.

Districts_of_East_Nusa_Tenggara is betwixt and between being totally useless and of marginal use
Batang_Hari_Regency provides opportunity to fill in the red links with lower heirarchy districts
Districts_of_West_Sulawesi similarly is just a list

I am not trying to detract from the hard work of editors who have laboured to provide a range of the dimensions of populated places and areas in the Indonesian archipelago, I am just asking whether we are gong to be run down as project to where the lowest component of RW and RT become included in the Indonesian category tree with no hope of WP:N or WP:RS of elements higher up the tree inadequately written or consistent across the project. Surely there is point where the line in the sand needs to be drawn - Project policy perhaps? JarrahTree 08:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will not discuss all of them at once, because there are multiple conflicting policies/guidelines applicable to this. However, what really should be deleted as WP:LISTCRUFT are the pages in Category:Lists of districts of Indonesia. These lists skip one whole level in the administrative hierarchy (provinsi-kabupaten/kota-kecamatan-desa/kelurahan), grouping together kecamatan per province (instead of something more logical like kecamatan per kabupaten). This seems like a rather arbitrary way of making a list. --HyperGaruda (talk) 11:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, when I look at Districts_of_East_Nusa_Tenggara, I wonder why? what is the point ? who or what benefits for something like that? JarrahTree 11:09, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why Sub-Districts List of Sub-Districts of Indonesia ?Xx236 (talk) 12:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Xx236: I do not really understand what you are trying to ask; could you please elaborate on your question? --HyperGaruda (talk) 18:37, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same or not

Hi, Indıonesian Wikipedians, while working on an article, I noticed that the coordinates of Dana Island (Rote Ndao) and Pamana Island are the same. Do these two articles refer to the same island ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same island. I redirected the first to the correct one. Thanks! MbahGondrong (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mangkunegara VII

I started the stub on Mangkunegara VII, guessing he's much more notable.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:29, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Notice to participants at this page about adminship

Many participants here create a lot of content, may have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the skills considered at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:

You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:46, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Raja Naipospos

Can someone quickly take a look at RAJA NAIPOSPOS. Its up for deletion, but is written in Indonesian making it difficult to tell if this it is worth keeping. SpinningSpark 00:34, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Kepompong for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Kepompong is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kepompong until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ArdiPras95 (talk) 03:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cannabis in Indonesia needs improvement

We have a new article Cannabis in Indonesia, but it could really use improvement and expansion, especially from anyone who can read Bahasa Indonesia sources. With a little polishing, it'd also be really useful to make a translated version for Indonesian Wikipedia since it's a topic of increasing interesting these days. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages

Greetings WikiProject Indonesia Members!

This is a one-time-only message to inform you about a technical proposal to revive your Popular Pages list in the 2016 Community Wishlist Survey that I think you may be interested in reviewing and perhaps even voting for:

If the above proposal gets in the Top 10 based on the votes, there is a high likelihood of this bot being restored so your project will again see monthly updates of popular pages.

Further, there are over 260 proposals in all to review and vote for, across many aspects of wikis.

Thank you for your consideration. Please note that voting for proposals continues through December 12, 2016.

Best regards, Stevietheman — Delivered: 18:01, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia

Please participate at FAR here, and help save this article from losing its featured status! Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of pre-Indonesia Javanese names

Is there a consistent guideline on how to spell or transliterate the Javanese names with "a"/"o" vowels, such as Pakubuwana/Pakubuwono, Trunajaya/Trunojoyo and others? I've seen both variants throughout Wikipedia and throughout literatures, even for the same person. HaEr48 (talk) 06:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Very good point - there is a serious problem with this, not just vowels - but items as found with tj/c and so on. (and as for sukarno/soekarno...).

Also on commons - a large number of items have been uploaded with old spelling variants - consistency (with variants in parenthesis) would be good - however some authors/academics insist upon specific usages within their texts.

Also this page is becoming less and less visited by editors with relevant knowledge of the subject... it would be great to resolve the issue a guideline should be made, and applied for the whole set of articles. One small problem is there is a set of very low level english editors arriving and adding their biases in editing, with little or no capacity to discuss the issues in english. JarrahTree 06:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @HaEr48:Well, there is an old essay at WP:Javanese, but that does not seem to be entirely what you're after. It is but an essay anyways and it looks like it was the work of one person, i.e. there has been no consensus (yet). Additionally, there's Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Naming conventions. While merely a proposal, it does say In Javanese, the letter "a" is sometimes pronounced like "o" in the final syllables of words, and the words are sometimes spelled that way. However, unless that spelling is more common in English-language documents, the spelling with "a" should be retained. The variation should be noted in the article, however. Please don't take it as carved in stone, but it is closest thing we have to a rule at the moment though. --HyperGaruda (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks HyperGaruda, that's exactly what I was looking for. Even though it's not an official rule, that makes sense to me and I'm happy to follow it. HaEr48 (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It does still leave us with the sense as to whether current editors who might turn up here are ok with the Naming convention page - if we are and even if we end up with only three editors agreeing yes it looks good - I think it needs to be linked and sign posted as such to save angst later on -

it would be very good if we could get a code savvy editor to actually add the link into the project template.. JarrahTree 00:21, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "adding the link into the project template"? HaEr48 (talk) 04:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The project template is {{WikiProject Indonesia}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:32, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

There is a clear consensus to implement the two proposals:

Cunard (talk) 05:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There are two proposals:

06:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Support - proposer JarrahTree 00:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - note that there is a new law on spelling, id:Ejaan Bahasa Indonesia. @JarrahTree: can you participate on the Indonesia FAR? Fixed the unnecessary brackets. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - There are naming/spelling inconsistencies throughout Wikipedia articles on Indonesian topics, so this guideline is needed to rectify that. I checked the guidelines and they all are reasonable and mostly in-line with practices in other English texts, nothing seems clearly wrong. HaEr48 (talk) 04:19, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The proposal does not seem to violate other established guidelines such as WP:UE and WP:COMMONNAME. Please do note that the promotion to a guideline should be done via a community-wide RfC per WP:PROPOSAL; I'll take care of that. --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment regarding spelling varieties: I recommend that there be a note regarding titles of creative works. Loetoeng Kasaroeng (the 1926 film), for example, is universally referred to using the van Ophijsen spelling, while Sitti Nurbaya (the novel) tends to be referred to using EYD (EBI is, for our purposes, essentially the same).  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    For those not in the know: EYD = Ejaan yang Disempurnakan (following the 1972 spelling reform) and EBI = Ejaan Bahasa Indonesia (following the [very minute] 2015 reform). Written Indonesian has gone through three major spelling reforms; EBI, meanwhile, is relatively minor in scope [bolding, capitalization of the terms "si" and "sang"] and thus does not really affect how we work on Wikipedia. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I do not think the titles are going to be a problem, considering the "unless the term is much better known in the English-speaking world under another spelling" clause, which basically stands for the WP:COMMONNAME guideline. --HyperGaruda (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Except one would debate whether a title can be referred to as a term. Honestly, there's a preference for English-language titles, but almost no Indonesianist would write The Rose of Cikembang (for example) instead of the actual title (Boenga Roos dari Tjikembang). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:56, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, if "almost no Indonesianist would write" the English title instead of the Indonesian title, than that would mean the Indonesian title is the common name referred to in said guideline. Perhaps a (piped) link to WP:NC in the proposal will do the trick? --HyperGaruda (talk) 04:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks to those who have replied and commented here, so far - I should clarify that when I am mentioning project tag - it is the WikiProject Indonesia tag that goes on the talk page of Indonesian articles - I am not sure if other projects have such an addition, as long as it does not contravene and policy or process, I do believe a link in that project tag is something this project needs due to the range of subjects and topics covered. JarrahTree 08:32, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @JarrahTree: I have made a copy of Template:WikiProject Indonesia at Template:WikiProject Indonesia/sandbox, so that you may try out changes without compromising the live template. I would do it myself, as I'm very familiar with the usage and capabilities of {{WPBannerMeta}}, but I'm not at all sure what you're asking to be added. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:35, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • How long are we waiting for people to weigh in? So far there has been no objection. HaEr48 (talk) 01:32, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Heheh this is the thing about this project - silence and inaction are common... JarrahTree 04:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:ANRFC, the default length for RfCs is 30 days. --HyperGaruda (talk) 08:08, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
To quote that page: "if the consensus is clear, any editor—even one involved in the discussion—may close the discussion. The default length of a formal request for comment is 30 days... if consensus becomes clear before that and discussion has slowed, then it may be closed early." I believe this is the case here. There has been no dissent and discussion has slowed. So let's close it? HaEr48 (talk) 02:38, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Category:Recipients of Indonesian civil awards and decorations has been nominated for discussion

Category:Recipients of Indonesian civil awards and decorations, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:40, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Media upload of historical photographs of Indonesia

Dear editors,

I would like to draw your attention to a media upload that may be of relevance to this page:

The Temminck Groll Collection consists of 2,641 historical photographs taken by the Dutch architect and architectural historian Coen Temminck Groll (1925-2015). The photos were taken in regions with which the Dutch have had historical relations, including countries in Africa, South America and Southeast Asia (see the category description for a full listing). The photos were taken during Temminck Groll's travels and study of 'shared cultural heritage' (heritage of the Netherlands located outside the country’s borders) and mainly date to the 1960s and 1970s. The photographs were digitised by the Cultural Heritage Agency of the Netherlands and made available to Wikimedia Commons in the context of the project The Netherlands and the world. If you have any questions about this upload, or have other media requests regarding Dutch shared cultural heritage, don't hesitate to leave a message at the project page!

Kind regards, --AWossink (talk) 14:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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