Talk:Fishing in Turkey

possible improvements

Gallery?

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Karataş Port

Mobile fish stall, Adana

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkiye-ranks-first-in-aquaculture-production-in-eu-177195

https://wsrw.org/en/news/turkey-continues-massive-fishmeal-imports

Hook lion fish? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 13:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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Cildir Lake

• ... that there is ice fishing in Turkey (pictured)?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Birubala Rabha
  • Comment: Translated from the Turkish article - pressing them for more cites - if they have none I will delete uncited

Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:54, 12 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fishing in Turkey; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - The hook is currently not present in the main article at all and isn't cited. It appears to be in an image caption (Cildir Lake ice fishing ([1]). The source should be sufficient per this 2019 RfC on the outlet as this isn't a controversial topic by any means here. I'd ensure that this is actually in the prose of the article somewhere and we'll be good to go.
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - I'd include "Ice" in the wikilink.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Earwig checks out here. I'd probably reformat the layout of the article for a number of readability reasons, but per WP:DYKNOT, I'm not here to put this through that kind of review. Absolutely fascinating subject, and the article will be better for it once you've added the ice fishing to the prose. Thanks for your work in bringing this over, and ping me once you've fixed these minor issues! For other folks coming through here, it's worth noting here that this is almost a completely direct translation from tr:Türkiye'de balıkçılık, which means that this qualifies under the "translated from another Wikipedia" newness criterion in my opinion. Nomader (talk) 04:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nomader: Added to text and changed link above. Will be happy for you to reformat if you have time. An alternative hook could be DYK that fishing in Turkey can be cool.Chidgk1 (talk) 18:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: Perfect, thanks! Per your suggestion here, I went ahead and modified the layout significantly to match up with some other similar articles and tweaked the lead a good bit too. We're good to go here, thanks for the suggestons. I'm good with the hook too, think it's perfectly succinct! Nomader (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Previous seas section

If Turkish Wikipedia ever cites these paras we could consider putting them back in

The Black Sea meets 76% of Turkey's fish production. 3 crustaceans and 38 fish species are caught, especially anchovy. Of fish caught from the Black Sea; 61.5% anchovy, 26% sprat, 4.3% Black Sea horse mackerel, 2% bonito. 5% of the fishing in the Black Sea is done by Russia, 1% by Bulgaria, 0.05% by Romania, the rest by Turkey. Turkey catches 93% of the anchovy caught in the Black Sea.

The Sea of Marmara provides 10% of the average production. In Marmara, which is the second fish resource after the Black Sea, there is a problem of algal bloom and marine mucilage after 2007. There are fluctuations in the amount of catch in the Aegean Sea. Although the anchovy and horse mackerel catch increased, a decrease is observed in other species. While the catch of red mullet, baccalaureate, whiting, mullet and bonito in the Mediterranean is decreasing, the catch of shrimp and cuttlefish is increasing. In the Mediterranean, 86 Indo-Pacific Lessepsian fish species were seen arriving via the Suez Canal. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Moving "Fishing in Turkey" to "Fishing industry in Turkey"

@Chidgk1 Also, related to what we were talking about earlier, but I'm moving all "Fishing in [country]" articles to "Fishing industry in [country]" articles, in order to make all fishing industry articles "linear" with each other. Recreational fishing is still technically part of the fishing industry, as stated in Fishing industry#Sectors and defined by the FAO. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

You are right that recreational fishing is still technically part of the fishing industry, but someone new to the subject might not know that so might give up before even starting to read the article if they were only interested in recreational fishing. Also the current title is simpler. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@Chidgk1 That's why there are individual sections, so that someone can look for the "Recreational fishing" heading and get whatever information they need. It's still part of the fishing industry, and as I said before, makes more sense. Simplicity doesn't matter. If anything, something like "Recreational fishing in Turkey" could be made as a redirect to the recreational fishing section. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah I see it is not actually called simplicity but Wikipedia:Article titles#Concision Chidgk1 (talk) 16:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@Chidgk1 This, again, doesn't matter. "Fishing in Turkey" excludes aquaculture, specifically because aquaculture is NOT fishing. Fishing industry would include aquaculture. I'm not quite understanding your argument. Again, "Fishing in Turkey" could always be made as a redirect, allowing people who search for fishing to still reach the article. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 16:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I see there are two global articles Fishing and Fishing industry. You are right that the fishing article does not include aquaculture but on the other hand it does include some things I also wish to add here ,such as fisheries management. As it seems we are not going to agree on this I will ask for a third opinion. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I did not get a clear answer last year at Talk:Agriculture in Wales#Fish farms in scope? but if necessary I could move aquaculture to the ag article. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@Chidgk1 Aquaculture simply, as mentioned by the other user, be kept in or moved to the "Fishing industry in [country]" articles. Also, fisheries management is part of the fishing industry, so if you need, you can add a new section addressing that. All in all, fishing industry would make the topic broader, allowing for users to find everything related to fishing in one place instead of needing to navigate multiple articles. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 17:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I have asked at Wikipedia:Third opinion Chidgk1 (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@SonOfYoutubers Forgot to mention - the third opinion is only for this article - I am not interested in any other fishing article. I will accept the 3rd opinion. Will you? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

There isn't even a response yet. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 19:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

I think an article that's about fishing in general, including recreational and commercial/industrial aspects of fishing, should be titled "Fishing in Turkey" per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. I agree with the objective of keeping the article as broad as possible, because it doesn't seem like any of the subtopics merit a separate article, but I don't quite see why "Fishing in Turkey" doesn't better meet that aim. Maybe it's because I don't know anything about the technical nuances of industrial fishing and aquaculture, but I don't understand why a section about aquaculture would be acceptable in an article titled "Fishing industry in Turkey" but not acceptable in an article titled "Fishing in Turkey". Wburrow (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Because aquaculture is not fishing, but it is part of the fishing industry. Overall, that title fits better. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 03:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

That's a pretty technical distinction. There's a section for Fish farms in the general Fishing article that mentions aquaculture, so why can't aquaculture be discussed in "Fishing in Turkey"? From my hour or so looking into fishing and aquaculture pages, it seems like "fishing" is the general topic, with "fishing industry" as a subtopic of "fishing," and aquaculture as a subtopic of "fishing industry". I'd also say aquaculture is more properly addressed as a subtopic of agriculture than as a sub-subtopic of fishing, but it's certainly not out of bounds to have some mention of aquaculture on a fishing page.

Let's look at it from a different angle. Here's a quote from WP:CRITERIA: "The choice of article titles should put the interests of readers before those of editors, and those of a general audience before those of specialists." As a member of the general audience, if I was looking for information about aquaculture in Turkey, I would not be at all surprised to find it in an article titled "Fishing in Turkey", but if I was looking for information about recreational fishing, I would be mildly surprised to find it in "Fishing industry in Turkey". (Sure, you may be technically correct that recreational fishing is considered part of the fishing industry, but as a member of the general audience, I would not have guessed that before looking at this third opinion request.)

Anyway, an opinion was requested, and now an opinion has been given. I'll leave it up to you fine folks to let it inform your decision making process as you see fit. Good luck to you both. Wburrow (talk) 05:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wburrow Thank you very much. As the aquaculture section needs expanding I will do that first (otherwise I would forget) then move it to the agriculture article with a heading of “fish farming” then excerpt it back here. That way wherever readers look they will find it. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

moved section and excerpted but left heading as aquaculture Chidgk1 (talk) 09:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)