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'''This list is also available''' in a '''[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (alt)|page-link-first format]]''' and in '''[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (table)|table format]].''' 42 discussions have been relisted.''
'''This list is also available''' in a '''[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (alt)|page-link-first format]]''' and in '''[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (table)|table format]].''' 41 discussions have been relisted.''


===December 5, 2023===
===December 5, 2023===
* ''([[Talk:List of Gatineau roads#Requested move 5 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:List of Gatineau roads]] → [[Roads in Gatineau]]''' – There's room to expand the scope, and there are reliable sources that cover the general quality of roads in the city. (ex: [https://www.caaquebec.com/en/news/press-releases/article/worst-roads-2023-whats-the-deal-in-gatineau], [https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/three-gatineau-roads-are-among-the-worst-in-quebec-1.5938247]) This new scope would naturally serve as a child article to [[Gatineau#Roads]]. [[User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|HappyWith]] ([[User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|talk]]) 17:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

* ''([[Talk:Rostov, Yaroslavl Oblast#Requested move 26 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Rostov, Yaroslavl Oblast]] → {{no redirect|Rostov}}''' – The previous move mightily screwed upo Wikipedia. [[Rostov-on-Don]] and [[Rostov]] are completely different names and should not be confused. For starters, Rostov is 500 years older than Rostov-on-Don and the move disruptedd a huge number of historical articles: Rostov has half-ythousand of incoming links. The move also introduced confusion it lots of bio articles. [[Rostov the Great]] and similar (screwed-up by renaming bot) is a nickname to historically great Rostov, not Rostov-on-Don. etc. This is a huge mistake to muve page with long-established usage and with huge number of links. - [[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 21:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;<b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 15:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)</small>

* ''([[Talk:Alpine foothills#Requested move 27 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Alpine foothills]] → {{no redirect|Prealps}}''' – "Prealps" is the term commonly used to refer to them (by official classifications such as SOIUSA/Partizione delle Alpi etc, as well as by mountaineers and the people in the countries were these mountains are located). "Foothills", besides being almost never used to refer to them, seems hardly suitable for mountains that are usually taller than 1,000 meters and in many cases than 2,000, with some exceeding 2,600 meters.--[[User:Potionkin|Potionkin]] ([[User talk:Potionkin|talk]]) 19:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Bensci54|Bensci54]] ([[User talk:Bensci54|talk]]) 15:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)</small>

* ''([[Talk: Mau Airport#Requested move 5 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[ Mau Airport]] → {{no redirect|Ca Mau Airport}}''' – Non-diacritic name, to harmonize with other airport names in Vietnam (see [[:Category:Airports in Vietnam]]).&#32;[[User:Đại Việt quốc|Đại Việt quốc]] ([[User talk:Đại Việt quốc|talk]]) 18:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC) <small>''This is a contested technical request'' ([[Special:Permalink/1188450676|permalink]]). [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 14:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)</small>
** [[Điện Biên Airport]] → {{no redirect|Dien Bien Airport}}

* ''([[Talk:Twin Towers#Requested move 5 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Twin Towers]] → [[Redirect to World Trade Center (1973-2001)]]''' – According to https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Twin_Towers (Statistics), most people searching up "Twin Towers" are looking for the [[World Trade Center (1973-2001)]]. Please move this per [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. [[User:SouthParkFan2006|SouthParkFan2006]] ([[User talk:SouthParkFan2006|talk]]) 12:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Twin Towers#Requested move 5 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Twin Towers]] → [[Redirect to World Trade Center (1973-2001)]]''' – According to https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Twin_Towers (Statistics), most people searching up "Twin Towers" are looking for the [[World Trade Center (1973-2001)]]. Please move this per [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. [[User:SouthParkFan2006|SouthParkFan2006]] ([[User talk:SouthParkFan2006|talk]]) 12:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
** [[Twin Towers]] → {{no redirect|Twin Towers (disambiguation)}}
** [[Twin Towers]] → {{no redirect|Twin Towers (disambiguation)}}
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* ''([[Talk:Saldus Municipality (2021–present)#Requested move 1 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Saldus Municipality (2021–present)]] → [[Saldus Municipality]]''' – As the current form of the municipality, this is the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. 99% of the time, a reader searching "Saldus Municipality" would be trying to find the current version, not the old version. This is also demonstrated by the difference in pageviews, and is how the Latvian version of the articles already do it. The disambiguation page should be deleted to make room - a hatnote can be put in to clarify if there's confusion. [[User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|HappyWith]] ([[User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|talk]]) 23:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Saldus Municipality (2021–present)#Requested move 1 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Saldus Municipality (2021–present)]] → [[Saldus Municipality]]''' – As the current form of the municipality, this is the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. 99% of the time, a reader searching "Saldus Municipality" would be trying to find the current version, not the old version. This is also demonstrated by the difference in pageviews, and is how the Latvian version of the articles already do it. The disambiguation page should be deleted to make room - a hatnote can be put in to clarify if there's confusion. [[User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|HappyWith]] ([[User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|talk]]) 23:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
** [[Saldus Municipality]] → {{no redirect|Saldus Municipality (disambiguation)}} over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then [[WP:G14]] delete if unnecessary


* ''([[Talk:Hermann Müller (politician, born 1876)#Requested move 1 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Hermann Müller (politician, born 1876)]] → [[Hermann Müller]]''' – Noting this page was until recently [[Hermann Müller (politician)]]. Müller the chancellor seems to be the clear [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] here, with all other Hermann Müllers who use disambiguators only reaching single and double digit pageviews, as well as having greater [[WP:PT2|long-term significance]] as one of the last Weimar chancellors. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 22:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Hermann Müller (politician, born 1876)#Requested move 1 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Hermann Müller (politician, born 1876)]] → [[Hermann Müller]]''' – Noting this page was until recently [[Hermann Müller (politician)]]. Müller the chancellor seems to be the clear [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] here, with all other Hermann Müllers who use disambiguators only reaching single and double digit pageviews, as well as having greater [[WP:PT2|long-term significance]] as one of the last Weimar chancellors. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 22:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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* ''([[Talk:UF (disambiguation)#Requested move 1 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:UF (disambiguation)]] → {{no redirect|UF}}''' – (overwriting redirect to [[University of Florida]]) Simple two-letter combination. Most Google Search results for University of Florida, but Scholar results for [[ultrafiltration]] → no [[WP:primary topic|primary topic]]. Most inlinks to [[UF]] are from obscure species articles and were added in [https://sigma.toolforge.org/summary.py?name=Trfasulo&search=IFAS&server=enwiki&max=500&ns=&enddate=&startdate= 2008–2012]. [[User:Hameltion|Hameltion]] ([[User talk:Hameltion|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Hameltion|contribs]]) 17:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:UF (disambiguation)#Requested move 1 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:UF (disambiguation)]] → {{no redirect|UF}}''' – (overwriting redirect to [[University of Florida]]) Simple two-letter combination. Most Google Search results for University of Florida, but Scholar results for [[ultrafiltration]] → no [[WP:primary topic|primary topic]]. Most inlinks to [[UF]] are from obscure species articles and were added in [https://sigma.toolforge.org/summary.py?name=Trfasulo&search=IFAS&server=enwiki&max=500&ns=&enddate=&startdate= 2008–2012]. [[User:Hameltion|Hameltion]] ([[User talk:Hameltion|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Hameltion|contribs]]) 17:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


* ''([[Talk:Vi#Requested move 1 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Vi]] → {{no redirect|Vi (text editor)}}''' – (and redirect [[Vi]] to [[VI]]) Even with the second letter lowercase, this is a simple two-letter combination for which there is no [[WP:primary topic|primary topic]]. This subject's long-term significance not at the same height as primary topics [[Ra]], [[Ur]], ''[[qi]]'', or [[pi]]. Google Search's first results are for the text editor, but this may be inauthentic – Google also jokingly displays {{tq|Did you mean: EMACS}}. A Google Scholar search for {{tq|"vi" -author:vi}} shows results almost entirely for "vi" as the Roman numeral (capitalized of course). Lastly, this topic doesn't significantly clear [[Vi (League of Legends)]] in terms of [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2021-10&end=2023-10&pages=Vi{{!}}Vi_(League_of_Legends) pageviews]. [[User:Hameltion|Hameltion]] ([[User talk:Hameltion|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Hameltion|contribs]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Vi#Requested move 1 December 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Vi]] → [[Vi (text editor)]]''' – (and redirect [[Vi]] to [[VI]]) Even with the second letter lowercase, this is a simple two-letter combination for which there is no [[WP:primary topic|primary topic]]. This subject's long-term significance not at the same height as primary topics [[Ra]], [[Ur]], ''[[qi]]'', or [[pi]]. Google Search's first results are for the text editor, but this may be inauthentic – Google also jokingly displays {{tq|Did you mean: EMACS}}. A Google Scholar search for {{tq|"vi" -author:vi}} shows results almost entirely for "vi" as the Roman numeral (capitalized of course). Lastly, this topic doesn't significantly clear [[Vi (League of Legends)]] in terms of [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2021-10&end=2023-10&pages=Vi{{!}}Vi_(League_of_Legends) pageviews]. [[User:Hameltion|Hameltion]] ([[User talk:Hameltion|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Hameltion|contribs]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


* ''([[Talk:John A. Olszewski Jr.#Requested move 23 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:John A. Olszewski Jr.]] → ?''' – This page is currently named in a way that does not follow [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:Middle names]]. Local media websites write his name as Johnny Olszewski ([https://www.wbaltv.com/article/county-executive-olszewski-will-not-run-us-senate/43890822 WBAL], [https://baltimorebrew.com/2022/05/26/under-its-acting-director-baltimore-countys-biggest-department-sees-an-exodus-of-senior-staff/ Baltimore Brew], [https://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/ Baltimore County Government]) or Johnny Olszewski Jr. ([https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-johnny-o-balt-co-20230515-ay3vxgrbrrcwda45w2yfnjpttu-story.html BaltSun], [https://www.marylandmatters.org/2023/07/06/olszewski-begins-raising-money-for-congressional-bid-as-he-awaits-ruppersbergers-decision/ Maryland Matters], [https://wtop.com/baltimore/2021/12/baltimore-countys-executive-tests-positive-for-covid-19/ WTOP]) I feel that the page should be moved to either [[Johnny Olszewski Jr.]] or [[Johnny Olszewski (politician)]] to fix this issue. [[User:Y2hyaXM|Y2hyaXM]] ([[User talk:Y2hyaXM|talk]]) 17:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Bensci54|Bensci54]] ([[User talk:Bensci54|talk]]) 17:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)</small>
* ''([[Talk:John A. Olszewski Jr.#Requested move 23 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:John A. Olszewski Jr.]] → ?''' – This page is currently named in a way that does not follow [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:Middle names]]. Local media websites write his name as Johnny Olszewski ([https://www.wbaltv.com/article/county-executive-olszewski-will-not-run-us-senate/43890822 WBAL], [https://baltimorebrew.com/2022/05/26/under-its-acting-director-baltimore-countys-biggest-department-sees-an-exodus-of-senior-staff/ Baltimore Brew], [https://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/ Baltimore County Government]) or Johnny Olszewski Jr. ([https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-johnny-o-balt-co-20230515-ay3vxgrbrrcwda45w2yfnjpttu-story.html BaltSun], [https://www.marylandmatters.org/2023/07/06/olszewski-begins-raising-money-for-congressional-bid-as-he-awaits-ruppersbergers-decision/ Maryland Matters], [https://wtop.com/baltimore/2021/12/baltimore-countys-executive-tests-positive-for-covid-19/ WTOP]) I feel that the page should be moved to either [[Johnny Olszewski Jr.]] or [[Johnny Olszewski (politician)]] to fix this issue. [[User:Y2hyaXM|Y2hyaXM]] ([[User talk:Y2hyaXM|talk]]) 17:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Bensci54|Bensci54]] ([[User talk:Bensci54|talk]]) 17:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)</small>
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* ''([[Talk:Girivalam (religious practice)#Requested move 30 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Girivalam (religious practice)]] → [[Girivalam]]''' – The weird parenthetical could potentially reduce pageviews. This page was previously held at [[Arunachala#Girivalam]] which had 11k views. This is the [[WP:Primary topic]] because [https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=586734894&rlz=1C1UEAD_enUS1051US1051&q=girivalam+news&tbm=nws&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwia39rjyuyCAxX_kiYFHTGCDHEQ0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=1536&bih=739&dpr=1.25] all Google News is about this practice only and nothing else. I agree with {{ping|Accesscrawl}} [[User:DareshMohan|DareshMohan]] ([[User talk:DareshMohan|talk]]) 20:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Girivalam (religious practice)#Requested move 30 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Girivalam (religious practice)]] → [[Girivalam]]''' – The weird parenthetical could potentially reduce pageviews. This page was previously held at [[Arunachala#Girivalam]] which had 11k views. This is the [[WP:Primary topic]] because [https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=586734894&rlz=1C1UEAD_enUS1051US1051&q=girivalam+news&tbm=nws&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwia39rjyuyCAxX_kiYFHTGCDHEQ0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=1536&bih=739&dpr=1.25] all Google News is about this practice only and nothing else. I agree with {{ping|Accesscrawl}} [[User:DareshMohan|DareshMohan]] ([[User talk:DareshMohan|talk]]) 20:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
** [[Girivalam]] → {{no redirect|Girivalam (disambiguation)}} over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then [[WP:G14]] delete if unnecessary


* ''([[Talk:Copa Libertadores#Requested move 30 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Copa Libertadores]] → {{no redirect|CONMEBOL Libertadores}}''' – A user moved this page to {{-r|CONMEBOL Libertadores}} with the rationale "For some years now, CONMEBOL, which is the organizer of the event, has been advertising the expression “CONMEBOL Libertadores” as the new name of the competition. So it is only fair that this article recognizes the new official name of the competition." The article was then moved back to [[Copa Libertadores]] with the rationale [[WP:RMUM]]. The page was again moved to {{-r|CONMEBOL Libertadores}} with the same rationale. I moved it back here to maintain status quo and to start a move discussion to avert a move war. I don't have a preference one way or the other myself [[User:TartarTorte|<b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>]][[User talk:TartarTorte|<b>Torte</b>]] 18:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Copa Libertadores#Requested move 30 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Copa Libertadores]] → {{no redirect|CONMEBOL Libertadores}}''' – A user moved this page to {{-r|CONMEBOL Libertadores}} with the rationale "For some years now, CONMEBOL, which is the organizer of the event, has been advertising the expression “CONMEBOL Libertadores” as the new name of the competition. So it is only fair that this article recognizes the new official name of the competition." The article was then moved back to [[Copa Libertadores]] with the rationale [[WP:RMUM]]. The page was again moved to {{-r|CONMEBOL Libertadores}} with the same rationale. I moved it back here to maintain status quo and to start a move discussion to avert a move war. I don't have a preference one way or the other myself [[User:TartarTorte|<b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>]][[User talk:TartarTorte|<b>Torte</b>]] 18:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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* ''([[Talk:Stéphane Richer (ice hockey forward)#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Stéphane Richer (ice hockey forward)]] → [[Stéphane Richer]]''' – Clear primary topic; a 2x Stanley Cup champion with 1000+ games in the NHL, vs. a player who spent most of his career in the AHL and DEL. Disambiguation page not necessary, per [[WP:ONEOTHER]]. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 21:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Stéphane Richer (ice hockey forward)#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Stéphane Richer (ice hockey forward)]] → [[Stéphane Richer]]''' – Clear primary topic; a 2x Stanley Cup champion with 1000+ games in the NHL, vs. a player who spent most of his career in the AHL and DEL. Disambiguation page not necessary, per [[WP:ONEOTHER]]. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 21:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
** [[Stéphane Richer]] → {{no redirect|Stéphane Richer (disambiguation)}} over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then [[WP:G14]] delete if unnecessary


* ''([[Talk:Jesus Lives#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Jesus Lives]] → {{no redirect|Jezus Leeft}}''' – Per the, admittedly, old discussion above. Furthermore, almost all sources in this article, and those that I can see when searching for the party, and the party's own website, {{url|https://www.jezusleeft.nl/ }} refer to itself as "Jezus Leeft", or w/ some various combination. Jezus Leeft is the one I've seen most regularly - so I listed it here - if there's another more used alternative, I'd support it being renamed to that. The current title can be transformed into a redirect if there isn't any other notable thing by this name. It doesn't seem logical to keep this page as the title esp. when it's not being referred to by this name. Would appreciate feedback, Moshe [[User:Moshe1022|Moshe1022]] ([[User talk:Moshe1022|talk]]) 20:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Jesus Lives#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Jesus Lives]] → {{no redirect|Jezus Leeft}}''' – Per the, admittedly, old discussion above. Furthermore, almost all sources in this article, and those that I can see when searching for the party, and the party's own website, {{url|https://www.jezusleeft.nl/ }} refer to itself as "Jezus Leeft", or w/ some various combination. Jezus Leeft is the one I've seen most regularly - so I listed it here - if there's another more used alternative, I'd support it being renamed to that. The current title can be transformed into a redirect if there isn't any other notable thing by this name. It doesn't seem logical to keep this page as the title esp. when it's not being referred to by this name. Would appreciate feedback, Moshe [[User:Moshe1022|Moshe1022]] ([[User talk:Moshe1022|talk]]) 20:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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* ''([[Talk:National State Federation#Requested move 12 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:National State Federation]] → [[National State Employees Federation]]''' – A more accurate translation of the name. [[User:Daydreamers|Daydreamers]] ([[User talk:Daydreamers|talk]]) 23:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Extraordinary Writ|Extraordinary Writ]] ([[User talk:Extraordinary Writ|talk]]) 08:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;<b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 18:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
* ''([[Talk:National State Federation#Requested move 12 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:National State Federation]] → [[National State Employees Federation]]''' – A more accurate translation of the name. [[User:Daydreamers|Daydreamers]] ([[User talk:Daydreamers|talk]]) 23:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Extraordinary Writ|Extraordinary Writ]] ([[User talk:Extraordinary Writ|talk]]) 08:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;<b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 18:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small>


===Elapsed listings===
* ''([[Talk:David Byrne (Irish criminal)#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:David Byrne (Irish criminal)]] → [[David Byrne (criminal)]]''' – As far as I have noticed, there is no need to include his nationality in the disambiguation term. —⁠ ⁠[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 18:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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* ''([[Talk:Alexandrovsky Uyezd (disambiguation)#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Alexandrovsky Uyezd (disambiguation)]] → [[Alexandrovsky Uyezd]]''' – I don't think the one in Arkhangelsk Governorate is the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] - it's just the longest, and the other ones could totally be expanded using the same sources. Commas are also preferred over parentheses when disambiguating administrative divisions, and the different uyezds should use consistent spelling of the word. [[User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|HappyWith]] ([[User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|talk]]) 17:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Alexandrovsky Uyezd (disambiguation)#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Alexandrovsky Uyezd (disambiguation)]] → [[Alexandrovsky Uyezd]]''' – I don't think the one in Arkhangelsk Governorate is the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] - it's just the longest, and the other ones could totally be expanded using the same sources. Commas are also preferred over parentheses when disambiguating administrative divisions, and the different uyezds should use consistent spelling of the word. [[User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|HappyWith]] ([[User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|talk]]) 17:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
** [[Alexandrovsky Uyezd]] → {{no redirect|Alexandrovsky Uyezd, Arkhangelsk Governorate}}
** [[Alexandrovsky Uyezd]] → {{no redirect|Alexandrovsky Uyezd, Arkhangelsk Governorate}}
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* ''([[Talk:Blue balls#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Blue balls]] → {{no redirect|Epididymal hypertension}}''' – Hello. I've recently restructured and added information on how the phenomenon manifests in women. As such I think that it is appropriate to rename the article to the official name, "Epididymal hypertension", as it is gender-neutral. Normally I don't really mind "gender neutrality", but since epididymal hypertension occurs for both women and men it seems more logical to use the gender-neutral name for it. [[User:Sprucecopse|Sprucecopse]] ([[User talk:Sprucecopse|talk]]) 16:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Blue balls#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Blue balls]] → {{no redirect|Epididymal hypertension}}''' – Hello. I've recently restructured and added information on how the phenomenon manifests in women. As such I think that it is appropriate to rename the article to the official name, "Epididymal hypertension", as it is gender-neutral. Normally I don't really mind "gender neutrality", but since epididymal hypertension occurs for both women and men it seems more logical to use the gender-neutral name for it. [[User:Sprucecopse|Sprucecopse]] ([[User talk:Sprucecopse|talk]]) 16:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

* ''([[Talk:Boy Next Door#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Boy Next Door]] → {{no redirect|Boy Next Door (disambiguation)}}''' – Per [[WP:NCDAB]] [[User talk:98Tigerius|♒️ <span style="color:#FFD700">'''98TIGERIUS'''</span> 🐯]] 16:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

* ''([[Talk:Big wheel (tricycle)#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Big wheel (tricycle)]] → {{no redirect|Big Wheel (tricycle)}}''' – Proper capitalization for product name; can't move due to existing redirect&#32;[[User:HalJor|HalJor]] ([[User talk:HalJor|talk]]) 00:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC) <small>''This is a contested technical request'' ([[Special:Permalink/1187328997|permalink]]). [[User:HalJor|HalJor]] ([[User talk:HalJor|talk]]) 15:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small>

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* ''([[Talk:Usage of electronic cigarettes#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Usage of electronic cigarettes]] → {{no redirect|Vaping}}''' – Vaping is how people [[wikipedia:COMMONNAME|commonly use]] ecigs [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

* ''([[Talk:Stereotype (Cole Swindell album)#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Stereotype (Cole Swindell album)]] → {{no redirect|Stereotype (album)}}''' – [[WP:PTOPIC]] [[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 13:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

* ''([[Talk:Van Zant (band)#Requested move 20 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Van Zant (band)]] → [[Van Zant (duo)]]''' – They were best known as a duo, not a full band. "Duo" is an acceptable disambiguation term per pages such as [[Trout Fishing in America (duo)]]. I'd do this myself per [[WP:BOLD]], but the page seems to be move-protected. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 15:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 11:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small>

* ''([[Talk:Typhoon Koinu (2023)#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Typhoon Koinu (2023)]] → {{no redirect|Typhoon Koinu}}''' – - It currently is the only storm currently named Koinu, just rename it for now unless it gets retired. I agree with someone above who requested a move of this page. [[Special:Contributions/120.28.224.32|120.28.224.32]] ([[User talk:120.28.224.32|talk]]) 10:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


* ''([[Talk:Second Matabele War#Requested move 8 October 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Second Matabele War]] → {{no redirect|First Chimurenga}}''' – The discussion of renaming this page has not been touched in 15 years, but since the [[Second Chimurenga]]/[[Rhodesian Bush War]] page is having a similar discussion, I believe now is the time to revisit it. Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], here is a [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=The+Chimurenga%2CFirst+Chimurenga%2CSecond+Matabele+War%2CMatabeleland+Rebellion&year_start=1890&year_end=2019&case_insensitive=on&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 Google Ngram] for a few common names for the conflict. While "Second Matabele War" is certainly the oldest common name for the war, it has clearly not been the common term in over 40 years. I suggest using the term Chimurenga as it appears to be the most common, and I suggest First Chimurenga as the article title as it is both common and unambiguous. Chimurenga is also more accurate, referring to the conflicts fought by both the "Matabele" ([[Northern Ndebele people]]) in the north and "Mashona" ([[Shona people]]) in the south. While the article includes a section on both conflicts, the article title only refers to the former. [[User:Sophiet Union|Sophie]] ([[User talk:Sophiet Union|talk]]) 21:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Extraordinary Writ|Extraordinary Writ]] ([[User talk:Extraordinary Writ|talk]]) 06:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
* ''([[Talk:Second Matabele War#Requested move 8 October 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Second Matabele War]] → {{no redirect|First Chimurenga}}''' – The discussion of renaming this page has not been touched in 15 years, but since the [[Second Chimurenga]]/[[Rhodesian Bush War]] page is having a similar discussion, I believe now is the time to revisit it. Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], here is a [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=The+Chimurenga%2CFirst+Chimurenga%2CSecond+Matabele+War%2CMatabeleland+Rebellion&year_start=1890&year_end=2019&case_insensitive=on&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 Google Ngram] for a few common names for the conflict. While "Second Matabele War" is certainly the oldest common name for the war, it has clearly not been the common term in over 40 years. I suggest using the term Chimurenga as it appears to be the most common, and I suggest First Chimurenga as the article title as it is both common and unambiguous. Chimurenga is also more accurate, referring to the conflicts fought by both the "Matabele" ([[Northern Ndebele people]]) in the north and "Mashona" ([[Shona people]]) in the south. While the article includes a section on both conflicts, the article title only refers to the former. [[User:Sophiet Union|Sophie]] ([[User talk:Sophiet Union|talk]]) 21:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Extraordinary Writ|Extraordinary Writ]] ([[User talk:Extraordinary Writ|talk]]) 06:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small>

* ''([[Talk:Planeta Group#Requested move 28 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Planeta Group]] → {{no redirect|Grupo Planeta}}''' – Original and common name, no need to translate it. [[User:FCBWanderer|FCBWanderer]] ([[User talk:FCBWanderer|talk]]) 02:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

* ''([[Talk:Alpine foothills#Requested move 27 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Alpine foothills]] → {{no redirect|Prealps}}''' – "Prealps" is the term commonly used to refer to them (by official classifications such as SOIUSA/Partizione delle Alpi etc, as well as by mountaineers and the people in the countries were these mountains are located). "Foothills", besides being almost never used to refer to them, seems hardly suitable for mountains that are usually taller than 1,000 meters and in many cases than 2,000, with some exceeding 2,600 meters.--[[User:Potionkin|Potionkin]] ([[User talk:Potionkin|talk]]) 19:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

* ''([[Talk:Acclaim Studios Austin#Requested move 18 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Acclaim Studios Austin]] → {{no redirect|Iguana Entertainment}}''' – The name of the defunct studio for most of its existence. It was already established and respected as the developer before Acclaim bought the studio, Acclaim originally kept ten Iguana name for the first half of their ownership period, and as it was only named under the Acclaim banner for the last few years. Over 2/3 of the studio's history was under the Iguana name. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 14:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;&mdash; [[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Mdaniels5757|contribs]]) 18:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)</small>


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* ''([[Talk:Rostov, Yaroslavl Oblast#Requested move 26 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[:Rostov, Yaroslavl Oblast]] → {{no redirect|Rostov}}''' – The previous move mightily screwed upo Wikipedia. [[Rostov-on-Don]] and [[Rostov]] are completely different names and should not be confused. For starters, Rostov is 500 years older than Rostov-on-Don and the move disruptedd a huge number of historical articles: Rostov has half-ythousand of incoming links. The move also introduced confusion it lots of bio articles. [[Rostov the Great]] and similar (screwed-up by renaming bot) is a nickname to historically great Rostov, not Rostov-on-Don. etc. This is a huge mistake to muve page with long-established usage and with huge number of links. - [[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 21:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

* ''([[Talk:Christian I of Denmark#Requested move 26 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Christian I of Denmark]] → {{no redirect|Christian I}}''' – These monarchs appear to be the {{wli|primary topics}} for the proposed names. [[WP:NCROY]] states the following: {{tq|Only use a territorial designation (e.g. country) when disambiguation is needed.}} However, in this case there is no need for disambiguation. Many of the listed monarchs are, in fact, the only monarch with the specific name and numeral. [[User:Векочел|Векочел]] ([[User talk:Векочел|talk]]) 20:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Christian I of Denmark#Requested move 26 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Christian I of Denmark]] → {{no redirect|Christian I}}''' – These monarchs appear to be the {{wli|primary topics}} for the proposed names. [[WP:NCROY]] states the following: {{tq|Only use a territorial designation (e.g. country) when disambiguation is needed.}} However, in this case there is no need for disambiguation. Many of the listed monarchs are, in fact, the only monarch with the specific name and numeral. [[User:Векочел|Векочел]] ([[User talk:Векочел|talk]]) 20:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
** [[Christian II of Denmark]] → {{no redirect|Christian II}}
** [[Christian II of Denmark]] → {{no redirect|Christian II}}
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** [[Frederick IX of Denmark]] → [[Frederick IX]]
** [[Frederick IX of Denmark]] → [[Frederick IX]]
** [[Frederick IX]] → {{no redirect|Frederick IX (disambiguation)}}
** [[Frederick IX]] → {{no redirect|Frederick IX (disambiguation)}}

* ''([[Talk:Fascist Italy (1922–1943)#Requested move 16 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Fascist Italy (1922–1943)]] → [[Fascist Italy]]''' – The name "Fascist Italy" is only used in two pages, this and the disambiguation page. Except the disambiguation page only has two (three if you count [[Italian Fascism]] at the bottom) links, and [[Italian Social Republic|the second one]] doesn't even have "Fascist Italy" in the name. Since "Fascist Italy" is a much simpler title, I request that, potentially under [[WP:COMMONNAME]], this page be moved to "Fascist Italy", and the disambiguation page be moved to "Fascist Italy (disambiguation)" or even deleted altogether, as it seems pretty redundant since the links "Italian Social Republic" and "Italian Fascism" can simply be placed at the top of the page like: "This article is about the Italian state from 1922 to 1943. For the puppet state of Nazi Germany, see Italian Social Republic. For Italian fascism in general, see Italian Fascism." This move is different from the two moves before requesting to move this page back to "Kingdom of Italy under Fascism", so the reasons for opposing those requests should probably not be used here, since this move is to a different name. [[User:AltendoYT|Al]][[User talk:AltendoYT|ten]][[Special:Contributions/AltendoYT|do]] 13:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)<small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 21:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
** [[Fascist Italy]] → {{no redirect|Fascist Italy (disambiguation)}}


* ''([[Talk:Saiō#Requested move 13 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Saiō]] → {{no redirect|Ise Saiō}}''' – We previously had a [[Talk:Saiō#Requested_move_24_October_2023|requested move]] to [[Saigū]] but {{ping|Invokingvajras}} explained well how in fact we had been misunderstanding what a Saiō was. I have since changed almost all links to [[Saiō]] to [[Ise Saiō]] in preparation for this, so the disambiguation page will have very few links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Sai%C5%8D [[Saigū]] now redirects to [[Saikū]]. There is a bit of [[Saikū]] vs [[Saigū]] debate brought up by {{ping|Ka-ru}}, so we might want to move [[Saikū Palace]] to [[Saigū Palace]], but I see this as a separate issue and do not know the solution. [[User:Immanuelle|'''Immanuel'''le]] ❤️💚💙 [[User_talk:Immanuelle|(talk to the cutest Wikipedian)]] 18:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Reading Beans|Reading Beans]] ([[User talk:Reading Beans|talk]]) 19:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
* ''([[Talk:Saiō#Requested move 13 November 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Saiō]] → {{no redirect|Ise Saiō}}''' – We previously had a [[Talk:Saiō#Requested_move_24_October_2023|requested move]] to [[Saigū]] but {{ping|Invokingvajras}} explained well how in fact we had been misunderstanding what a Saiō was. I have since changed almost all links to [[Saiō]] to [[Ise Saiō]] in preparation for this, so the disambiguation page will have very few links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Sai%C5%8D [[Saigū]] now redirects to [[Saikū]]. There is a bit of [[Saikū]] vs [[Saigū]] debate brought up by {{ping|Ka-ru}}, so we might want to move [[Saikū Palace]] to [[Saigū Palace]], but I see this as a separate issue and do not know the solution. [[User:Immanuelle|'''Immanuel'''le]] ❤️💚💙 [[User_talk:Immanuelle|(talk to the cutest Wikipedian)]] 18:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Reading Beans|Reading Beans]] ([[User talk:Reading Beans|talk]]) 19:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
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* [[Talk:White Island]] – [[:White Island]] is requested for move to [[White Island (disambiguation)]], which could make the disambiguation [[WP:MALPLACED|malplaced]]. Has a [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT|primary redirect]] been specified?
* [[Talk:Vi]] – [[:Vi]] is requested for move to [[Vi (text editor)]], which has non-redirecting content and is not requested for move

* [[Talk:Pour]] – [[:Pour]] is requested for move to [[Pour (disambiguation)]], which could make the disambiguation [[WP:MALPLACED|malplaced]]. Has a [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT|primary redirect]] been specified?


* [[Talk:Flatbush]] – [[:Flatbush]] is requested for move to [[Flatbush (disambiguation)]], which could make the disambiguation [[WP:MALPLACED|malplaced]]. Has a [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT|primary redirect]] been specified?
* [[Talk:Stéphane Richer (ice hockey forward)]] – [[:Stéphane Richer (ice hockey forward)]] is requested for move to [[Stéphane Richer]], which has non-redirecting content and is not requested for move


* [[Talk:Boy Next Door]] – [[:Boy Next Door]] is requested for move to [[Boy Next Door (disambiguation)]], which could make the disambiguation [[WP:MALPLACED|malplaced]]. Has a [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT|primary redirect]] been specified?
* [[Talk:Saldus Municipality (2021–present)]] – [[:Saldus Municipality (2021–present)]] is requested for move to [[Saldus Municipality]], which has non-redirecting content and is not requested for move


* [[Talk:Lord Cameron]] – [[:Lord Cameron]] is requested for move to [[Lord Cameron (disambiguation)]], which could make the disambiguation [[WP:MALPLACED|malplaced]]. Has a [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT|primary redirect]] been specified?
* [[Talk:Girivalam (religious practice)]] – [[:Girivalam (religious practice)]] is requested for move to [[Girivalam]], which has non-redirecting content and is not requested for move
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Revision as of 18:13, 5 December 2023

This page lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 41 discussions have been relisted.

December 5, 2023

  • (Discuss)Rostov, Yaroslavl OblastRostov – The previous move mightily screwed upo Wikipedia. Rostov-on-Don and Rostov are completely different names and should not be confused. For starters, Rostov is 500 years older than Rostov-on-Don and the move disruptedd a huge number of historical articles: Rostov has half-ythousand of incoming links. The move also introduced confusion it lots of bio articles. Rostov the Great and similar (screwed-up by renaming bot) is a nickname to historically great Rostov, not Rostov-on-Don. etc. This is a huge mistake to muve page with long-established usage and with huge number of links. - Altenmann >talk 21:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 15:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Alpine foothillsPrealps – "Prealps" is the term commonly used to refer to them (by official classifications such as SOIUSA/Partizione delle Alpi etc, as well as by mountaineers and the people in the countries were these mountains are located). "Foothills", besides being almost never used to refer to them, seems hardly suitable for mountains that are usually taller than 1,000 meters and in many cases than 2,000, with some exceeding 2,600 meters.--Potionkin (talk) 19:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 15:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)BCXBCX (software) – The page BCX (disambiguation) has no primary topic. The topic of the article currently at the base title, BCX, is very non-notable - I certainly had never heard of it before working on this dab page - and it's arguably even a borderline case of CSD A7. In fact, based on the pageviews, one would think that the primary topic would be Blood culture, although I think that argument is quite weak since relatively few people refer to a blood culture using the abbreviation "BCx" (and that would be a different capitalization anyways, so WP:DIFFCAPS could apply). (Also, please trout me if I'm doing this requested move wrong, as this is my first.) Duckmather (talk) 02:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Doubtful Sound / PateaDoubtful Sound – Per WP:COMMONNAME and MOS:SLASH. Searching Google News, we see that in the past year there have been seven articles using some form of "Doubtful Sound / Patea", but there has been almost 100 using "Doubtful Sound". Google Scholar shows a similar result, with two results for any form of "Doubtful Sound / Patea" and hundreds for "Doubtful Sound". While not all the results here are relevant - for example, one goes The doubtful sound which is used to construct the uncanny island of The Tempest... - the vast majority are, and given the paucity of results for any form of "Doubtful Sound / Patea" leave the COMMONNAME clear. BilledMammal (talk) 07:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans (talk) 00:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Alleged Saudi role in the September 11 attacksAlleged role of Saudi officials in the September 11 attacks – The current title is inaccurate, obviously biased & partisan, but also a stereotypical generalisation. When did citizens and/or officials (alleged or not) acting in a private or unofficial capacity become tantamount to an entire state or a nation? The phrasing "Saudi role" in the current title, implies directly that the Saudi Arabian state or the Saudi Arabian nation allegedly conspired with al-Qaeda hijackers in facilitating the September 11 attacks. This is a REDFLAG claim, since AQ was banned by Saudis in 1990s and Bin Laden had declared war to overthrow Saudi government in 1996 and his organization had launched attacks against Saudi targets. By May 2003, AQ had been waging a full-fledged armed insurgency against the Saudi government. When somebody says "German invasion": it implies that German state or German nation attacked another country. If non-state militias based in Germany attack another country, the event is not described as "German invasion" (This is simply a hypothetical example). Also, the German intelligence had contacts with Al-Qaeda's Hamburg cell before 9/11 (source) and members of this cell were key operatives in 9/11 attacks. Does this translate to an "alleged German role in 9/11 attacks"? None of the allegations have acccused the Saudi King Fahd or his inner circle of any role or contacts with the hijackers. Therefore, there is no "Saudi role" and the current title is incorrect and original research.
    "article title precisely identifies the subject" WP:AT
    Even though 3rd level or 4th level officials were accused, it doesnt mean accusing the government of some role, since they were acting in their private capacities. There is a casual display of American centrism throughout this article as well, giving undue weight to accusations by US politicians who have their own issues and Anglo-centric conspiracy theories. The one who is mentioned throughout this page, Omar al-Bayoumi, is not even a confirmed Saudi official which means that all these accusations are against an "alleged Saudi official". In summary, its clear that the current descriptive title is strongly biased. WP:POVNAME
    The only reason why it remained for a few years since 2016 is due to the systemic bias prevelant in this encyclopaedia. Similar accusations against a Western country have never been inserted as a title in any wikipedia page. Arguments of concision cant be used in favour of the current title.
    "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area" WP:CONCISE
    The current title with the phrase "Saudi role", as has been demonstrated above, is inaccurate and misleading to readers. Also, the current title is not consistent with other allegations pages. For example, the pages "Alleged CIA involvement in the Whitlam dismissal" and "Allegations of CIA assistance to Osama bin Laden" are not titled "Alleged US involvement in the Whitlam dismissal", or "Allegations of US assistance to Osama bin Laden"; despite CIA being a branch of US government. Additionally, the title of the page is a descriptive title. "Where there is no acceptable set name for a topic, such that a title of our own conception is necessary, more latitude is allowed to form descriptive and unique titles." WP:TITLEDAB The current descriptive title in the page is not non-judgmental.
    "Avoid judgmental and non-neutral words; for example, allegation or alleged can either imply wrongdoing, or in a non-criminal context may imply a claim "made with little or no proof" and so should be avoided in a descriptive title." WP:NDESC It is obvious that the phrase "Alleged Saudi role" is judgmental as well as biased and conspiratorial. The phrase "Alleged role of Saudi officials" is precise, consistent as well as non-judgmental. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 20:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. estar8806 (talk) 21:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans (talk) 00:23, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 4, 2023

  • (Discuss)Willful blindnessWillful ignorance – For improved recognizability. The target already redirects here and has for 16 years, and the body of the article already uses the suggested title in four places, including a quote in a citation of a scholarly book on the subject that uses the suggested word in its title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Gay bishopsLGBT bishops – The lead of this page starts off with: "This article largely discusses presence of openly lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender and queer bishops in churches governed under episcopal polities. The existence of LGBTQ bishops in the Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist and other traditions is a matter of historical record, though never, until recently, were LGBTQ clergy and bishops ordained by any of the main Christian denominations." It is therefore clear that the article encompasses more than simply gay bishops and that this is not the sole or even necessarily the primary focus of the page, as lesbian, bisexual and transgender are also primary points of focus. Helper201 (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 08:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Slut!"Slut!" – The quotation marks are part of the title, and multiple critics have pointed out the quotation marks as a defining feature of this song. Ippantekina (talk) 04:47, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 3, 2023

  • (Discuss)Julian (emperor)Julian the ApostateWP:COMMONNAME, this is how he is usually known. I realise that some might consider that this reflects Christian bias. However since nearly everything we know about him has been filtered through Christian sources, even non-Christians usually refer to him by this name e.g. even the Turkish Wikipedia uses a version of this name in its opening line. PatGallacher (talk) 22:34, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)White IslandWhite Island (disambiguation)Whakaari / White Island is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for White Island, and this should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to it; Wikinav shows that most readers are looking for this island, and that the remainder are looking for the eruption that took place on it. Similarly, pageviews shows that none of the alternatives receive many views; this island received 520,000 views in the past year, compared to 14,000 for all other topics directly using the name "White Island" put together. Google News results also support this; in the past month there have been 38 results for the name "White Island"; of these, 18 referred to Whakaari / White Island, 9 referred to other topics ("white island bench" etc), 2 referred to a "White's Island", two referred to a film called "White Island", and only seven referred to other locations known as White Island. BilledMammal (talk) 10:53, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Clam AntiVirusClamAV – "ClamAV" is the official, trademarked name of the software and to my knowledge has always been its functional name (as in file names and internal documentation) and its common name in plain speech. I can only guess that the motivation for the current expansion in the title is to avoid ambiguity, but I don't believe that should apply here since "ClamAV" is being used as a proper name rather than merely an abbreviation, and I don't see a practical concern that this name is ambiguous - "ClamAV" already redirects here. Ham Pastrami (talk) 07:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 2, 2023

  • (Discuss)HolywellHolywell (disambiguation) – The Flintshire town has the most commonly visited page from the DAB page, and it's visited more often than the other place articles linked to from the DAB page are in total. I don't know if you can glean any useful information from the ngram page. The Holywell DAB page was only visited 122 times in October, but WikiNav has some statistics for it anyway.[1] 38 visitors went on to the Holywell, Flintshire article, 29 visits were filtered from the results, and none are recorded for any other destination. This does, at least, show that most of links people followed to another article from the DAB page were to the Flintshire town. September's data appears similar, but I don't know how to get a "filtered" total for it. Holywell, Flintshire is more frequently visited than the other Holywell pages, with 20,980 visits over a year compared with 7,923 for the Cornish Holywell[2] and 10,019 in total for the various other places listed on the DAB page.[3] Given how few people visit the DAB page, I don't think a hatnote would need to be more than just {{about|the town in Flintshire}} after this move.

References

  1. ^ "WikiNav (Holywell)". Retrieved 18 November 2023.
  2. ^ "Pageviews Analysis". Retrieved 18 November 2023.
  3. ^ "Pageviews Analysis". Retrieved 18 November 2023.
Aoeuidhtns (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 23:46, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Birka female Viking warriorBj 581 – I think this page should be moved to Bj 581 because it is more neutral and more academic. There is no consensus that Bj 581 is a warrior. All sides of the academic debate have referred to her as Bj 581. The grave was called that before she was known to be she. It is more unique. If another weapons grave in Birka is found to have a female occupant, then the article would have to be moved anyway. Tinynanorobots (talk) 17:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:48, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Stanley Meyer's water fuel cellWater fuel cell – This should be a completely uncontroversial move as the target already redirects here, but as a result of a train-wreck RM over a decade ago we're in an awkward spot here. Titles are not endorsements; by far the most common use of this term is to refer to this particular design. Whether it works or not is irrelevant; the sole concern is how it fits into our naming conventions, and the shorter title is the right one. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 21:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Gestalt PracticeGestalt practice – Suggestion to bring the article more in line with common usage, other types of practices and other Gestalt concepts. An argument could be made that "Gestalt Practice" is a proper name referring to the process developed and implemented by its author, Dick Price at Esalen. However, it seems clear that there are many practitioners developing it beyond and outside the original source material, and in my view, the project would benefit from an article that covers the concept more broadly. This would make it a common compound noun, styled "Gestalt practice" per "avoid unnecessary capitalization" WP:MOS and WP:CAPITALIZATION. Ngrams history shows "Gestalt practice" has generally been the most common styling [7]. Many publications[8] on the subject and practitioners (and the footnotes of this article) write "Gestalt practice", while practitioners closely tied to Price’s institutions (Esalen[9], for example) tend to write "Gestalt Practice". I believe styling the phrase as a common noun also invites contributions of a broader scope without deemphasizing the practice's basic principles. Wow Mollu (talk) 20:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 1, 2023

  • (Discuss)Saldus Municipality (2021–present)Saldus Municipality – As the current form of the municipality, this is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. 99% of the time, a reader searching "Saldus Municipality" would be trying to find the current version, not the old version. This is also demonstrated by the difference in pageviews, and is how the Latvian version of the articles already do it. The disambiguation page should be deleted to make room - a hatnote can be put in to clarify if there's confusion. HappyWith (talk) 23:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)AvAv (month) – (and redirect Av to AV) No primary topic for this digram regardless of whether the second letter is lowercase; for most two-letter combinations, readers are not expected to capitalize their search to find the disambiguation page unless the topic has extremely high significance (Ra, pi, qi, Ur) or there are very few alternative meanings (Hy, Vy?). No evidence that the month's significance is this high; more pageviews go to the disambiguation page than this one most months. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Right-bank UkraineRight-Bank UkraineWP:COMMONNAME. The names are fully capitalized in most sources according to Google Ngram.[15][16] Surveying the standard histories, we see the following in their index: * Orest Subtelny 2009 [1988], Ukraine: A History, 4th ed.: Left Bank (758), Right Bank (770). * Paul R. Magocsi 1996, A History of Ukraine, 1st ed.: Left Bank (752), Right Bank (767). * Serhy Yekelchyk 2007, Ukraine: Birth of a Modern Nation: Left-Bank Ukraine, Left Bank (272), Right-Bank Ukraine, Right Bank (275). * Andrew Wilson 2015, The Ukrainians, Unexpected Nation, 4th ed.: Left Bank (404), Right Bank (406). * Serhii Plokhy 2021, The Frontline: Essays on Ukraine’s Past and Present: Left Bank Ukraine (393), Right-Bank Ukraine (396) [I used this book because the terms don’t appear in the index of Plokhy’s Gates of Europe; yes, only one is hyphenated in the index].  —Michael Z. 18:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)ViVi (text editor) – (and redirect Vi to VI) Even with the second letter lowercase, this is a simple two-letter combination for which there is no primary topic. This subject's long-term significance not at the same height as primary topics Ra, Ur, qi, or pi. Google Search's first results are for the text editor, but this may be inauthentic – Google also jokingly displays Did you mean: EMACS. A Google Scholar search for "vi" -author:vi shows results almost entirely for "vi" as the Roman numeral (capitalized of course). Lastly, this topic doesn't significantly clear Vi (League of Legends) in terms of pageviews. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)OaOa (comics) – (and redirect Oa to OA) This title is a simple two-letter combination, lowercase second letter notwithstanding. There would be need to be a strong significance argument to keep this here, which I'm not seeing. A search for oa -"the oa" does not indicate there's a primary topic for this digram. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 17:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Doctor Who (series 14) → ? Per WP:WHO/MOS#Terminology, the previous seasons/series of Doctor Who have been titled "Season #" for the classic era, and "Series #" for the revived era, noting the difference from when the programme moved from Season 26 to Series 1 upon the 2005 revival. This had lead up to Series 13 in 2021. According to interviews with the showrunner, as well as entries on the official Doctor Who websites, the numbering system is to be reset, to define a new "era". That is, what has previous been referred to as Series 14, will now be referred to as Season 1. The questions are: # Should this article be retitled to reflect this change to "Season 1", or should it remain at its "Series 14" title? # If the article should be renamed, what should it be renamed to? (This is given that Doctor Who (season 1) already exists, representing the 1963–64 season, and Doctor Who (series 1) exists, representing the 2005 series.) # Upon this renaming, should (and thus, what) should the previous seasons be renamed to? Note that if this article title is changed, this should reflect upon the following entries within the programme. -- Alex_21 TALK 07:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Dartmouth College fraternities and sororitiesDartmouth College Greek organizations – This is technically a request for a reversion. I recognise that Rublamb gave this page its current name as (I'm assuming) part of the fraternities and sororities WikiProject, but this new name does sort of obscure the fact that Dartmouth houses three gender-inclusive Greek houses that do not refer to themselves as fraternities and sororities. The article itself uses "Greek organization" as an umbrella term quite liberally, anyway. CongealedBox (talk) 03:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Gregory DespresMurders of Fred Fulton and Veronica "Verna" Decarie – I feel like this article's focal point should be shifted to the murders themselves, and the information surrounding the perpetrator can be moved further down in the article. Fundamentally, this person is only notable for this murder case, so I feel as if it would be more appropriate to have the article named after the murder case itself B3251 (talk) 00:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

November 30, 2023

  • (Discuss)Copa LibertadoresCONMEBOL Libertadores – A user moved this page to CONMEBOL Libertadores with the rationale "For some years now, CONMEBOL, which is the organizer of the event, has been advertising the expression “CONMEBOL Libertadores” as the new name of the competition. So it is only fair that this article recognizes the new official name of the competition." The article was then moved back to Copa Libertadores with the rationale WP:RMUM. The page was again moved to CONMEBOL Libertadores with the same rationale. I moved it back here to maintain status quo and to start a move discussion to avert a move war. I don't have a preference one way or the other myself TartarTorte 18:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

November 29, 2023

  • (Discuss)2023 heat waves2023 droughts and heat waves – There is a significant overlap between heat waves and droughts. Similar factors contribute to the lack of rain, which is usually a mitigating effect in abnormal conditions. Heat waves are becoming so commonplace that their effects might almost seem like an afterthought. I recently published 2020 droughts and heat waves, to create part of a series of heat waves, and I felt that it would be inappropriate to publish it only as 2020 heat waves. Just a thought. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)GIGA ConnectGiga (United Nations) – Per the website at https://giga.global/, the UN itself does not consistently use all-caps "GIGA", and the Giga initiative includes Giga Map, Giga Finance and Giga Connect. Some of the content of the article is already outside of the scope of Giga Connect, as in the places that refer to schools being "mapped" rather than "connected". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)ALA Best Fiction for Young AdultsBest Fiction for Young Adults – As far as I know, the title of a published work is ordinarily used directly as the title of a Wikipedia article about the published work, without prefixing it with the name of the author or publisher. The suggested target title already redirects here (and always has since the day the article was created more than a decade ago), so adding "ALA" does not seem necessary for disambiguation purposes. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Russell Norman (restaurateur)Russell NormanRussell Norman (restaurateur) (Russell with two l's), who recently died, is newly created. Russel Norman (Russel with one l) was the long-standing page. At worst, no disambiguator should be needed per the policy WP:SMALLDETAILS. But this isn't just the same term with different styling, these are actually spelled differently. Moreover, the pageviews show that single-l Russel Norman only got 20 views per day before double-l Russell Norman died (and his page created); hardly enough to justify the disambiguator (restaurateur) when the people already have differently spelled names. The disambiguation page is probably not needed. Hatnotes are sufficient, and there's otherwise only the swapped name Norman Russell on the dab (debatable if its a plausible error and a useful entry); however deletion can only be discussed at WP:AFD, not RMs. Move it to (disambiguation) for now. —Bagumba (talk) 15:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Ram Rebel TRXRam 1500 TRX – Reopening this name change discussion. Strides have been made in making this an article about both the prototype and the production version of this truck. The various variants of the Ram 1500 do have their own pages. Likewise, Ford’s high performance trim also has its own page. RickyCourtney (talk) 05:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 13:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Johnny & AssociatesSmile-Up! – The company was renamed to Smile-Up! on October 17, 2023 in the wake of the sexual harassment scandal revolving around the former founder Johnny Kitagawa who passed away in 2019. The company even received a new logo. The company will be abolished once every victim of the harassment has received compensation. Goroth (talk) 08:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

November 28, 2023

  • (Discuss)Jesus LivesJezus Leeft – Per the, admittedly, old discussion above. Furthermore, almost all sources in this article, and those that I can see when searching for the party, and the party's own website, www.jezusleeft.nl refer to itself as "Jezus Leeft", or w/ some various combination. Jezus Leeft is the one I've seen most regularly - so I listed it here - if there's another more used alternative, I'd support it being renamed to that. The current title can be transformed into a redirect if there isn't any other notable thing by this name. It doesn't seem logical to keep this page as the title esp. when it's not being referred to by this name. Would appreciate feedback, Moshe Moshe1022 (talk) 20:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss)Blue ballsEpididymal hypertension – Hello. I've recently restructured and added information on how the phenomenon manifests in women. As such I think that it is appropriate to rename the article to the official name, "Epididymal hypertension", as it is gender-neutral. Normally I don't really mind "gender neutrality", but since epididymal hypertension occurs for both women and men it seems more logical to use the gender-neutral name for it. Sprucecopse (talk) 16:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Second Matabele WarFirst Chimurenga – The discussion of renaming this page has not been touched in 15 years, but since the Second Chimurenga/Rhodesian Bush War page is having a similar discussion, I believe now is the time to revisit it. Per WP:COMMONNAME, here is a Google Ngram for a few common names for the conflict. While "Second Matabele War" is certainly the oldest common name for the war, it has clearly not been the common term in over 40 years. I suggest using the term Chimurenga as it appears to be the most common, and I suggest First Chimurenga as the article title as it is both common and unambiguous. Chimurenga is also more accurate, referring to the conflicts fought by both the "Matabele" (Northern Ndebele people) in the north and "Mashona" (Shona people) in the south. While the article includes a section on both conflicts, the article title only refers to the former. Sophie (talk) 21:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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